PERRY: No surprise that pit bullies won’t let Aurora election loss go

The whole thing is a lot like gun control, realizing that all guns can be dangerous in the wrong hands. But unlike that issue, this is akin to understanding that guns that inexplicably and unpredictably just start going off in the hands of even responsible owners are a real problem in a crowded city

Far be it from me to let banned dogs lie.

Like so many voters and poltical-ad victims in Aurora, I was counting the hours until Election 2014 finally exploded and became nothing but psychological shrapnel. But the war against common sense isn’t over by a long shot, especially when it comes to pit bulls.

For years, about nine of them, ever since the Aurora city council approved a ban on owning pit bulls in the city, we have been regularly hounded by people from all over the country, furious about the prohibition. I’m not talking, call-the-editor-and-give-him-a-piece-of-my mind-verbal-wrestling, I’m talking about vicious, foaming-at-the-mouth attacks from humans who make their scary dogs look like Hello Kitty.

Ginger enjoys a spot on a couch Nov. 10 at DMK Rehoming. The shelter DMK is not able to take in all of the pit bulls relinquished by owners who live in city limits. In November, Aurora voters upheld the city’s nearly decade-long pit bull ban by a 2-to-1 margin. (Marla R. Keown/Aurora Sentinel)And that’s what unleashes their attack. It’s when you say that pit bulls are scary because they’re dangerous. What that elicits from the most diplomatic of the pit bullies are ludicrous pictures of pit bulls snoozing with bunnies or being used as blankets by human infants that look to be days or hours old. If you think taking a picture like this is a good idea, you need to be aware that any credible veterinarian or pediatrician would tell you not to do such a thing with any dog or cat, because all animals can be unpredictable around a human infant.

That’s the crux of the argument they don’t understand. Everyone gets that there are “bad” pet owners, and that any dog breed that is abused or neglected can become a serious and deadly problem. All kinds of dogs bite and kill people and other pets every year.

But what these pit bullies can’t seem to grapple with is the fact — not the smudged math, hyperbole or outright lies — that of all of the hundreds of dog breeds living in hundreds of millions of American families, pit bulls are responsible for an overwhelming number of human deaths, despite the fact they are a relatively rare breed of dog. And the one consistent thing that is regularly reported by a pit-bull owner that maims or kills a human or another pet, is that it was totally unexpected. The pit bull that clamped its amazing jaws down on the neck of another dog or a small child and shook it until it was dead, had never done anything like that before.

I absolutely agree that there are lots of pit bulls with sweet dispositions and faces that just make you go, “awwwww.” What makes these dogs scary is not their appearance, but the fact that they are as or more unpredictable than all dogs, and when the go off, they’re exceedingly injurious or even lethal.

The whole thing is a lot like gun control, realizing that all guns can be dangerous in the wrong hands. But unlike that issue, this is akin to understanding that guns that inexplicably and unpredictably just start going off in the hands of even responsible owners are a real problem in a crowded city.

I, like most Aurora residents, understand that a yappy, snarling Chihuahua charging at me or my own dog is a serious threat. But I’ll take my chances with the raving Chihuahua over a 50-pound pit bull any day.

So many of you agree with me on this, like 75 percent of you, that I really thought my days of being called a “racist” a “hater” a “deviant genocidal monster” a “fear monger” and even, a “lynch-happy slave hater” were finally over. But the cards and letters just keep right on coming. Now, it’s a threat to have state lawmakers force pit bulls back into communities that don’t want them. Threats to sue and sue and sue to get their way. Threats that make you wonder about the psychological stability of people all over the country incensed by Aurora’s ban, which is about the same as every other pit-bull ban in the metro area.

“Pit bull dogs will be on the earth long after you are being ate(sic) by worms and your soul burning in hell,” Bob Cronk commented on a recent story at AuroraSentinel.com. It’s surrounded by similar comments where other pit bullies physically threaten those who insist on the bans. The rhetoric is as frightening as an berserk dog.

“The KKK has a similar dream…and Hitler did, too,” another pit bully says about pit-bull bans.

To one woman who gets in pit-bullies’ faces about what she calls “mutant dogs” and “garbage breeds,” pit bully Pam Loken said, “you are a total piece of crap….how I would love to wrap that leash around your (f******) throat…..it scares me to say it, but I don’t think it would bother me a bit, to remove a piece of trash like you…you are a sadist!”

It’s over, folks. The only issue left is whether there needs to be better enforcement, so save your snarling for the that story.

Reach editor Dave Perry at 303-750-7555 or dperry@aurorasentinel.com

  • Susan DeVilder

    Not surprised to see Bob Kronk’s name in this editorial. And understand this about Bob Kronk. I follow most news article about pit bull attacks, mauling and fatalities. And you know who else does as well? Bob Kronk. That’s right. Whenever there is a news story about a pit bull fatality or attack, Bob Kronk is there to defend the pit bull. Bob knows as well as anyone the true damage that these dogs do. He knows full well the devastation they leave behind. Yet, there he is, defending the dogs that keep killing and mauling people. It would be one thing if Bob didn’t know how many people’s lives are ruined by this dog breed type. But he does. And he just can’t bring himself to care. Putting dogs over humans is just what Bob does.

    • Chef David Edelstein

      And they call Pit Bull enthusiasts “nutters”??? Lady, you take the cake… waving your propaganda and sensationalism flag HIHGH AND PROUD. And that… coming from a woman who wouldnt know a Pit Bull from a hole in her back side.

      • Joanna McGinn

        Sounds like you just PROVED her points…

      • separationcs

        Propganda = statistics in your world?

      • separationcs

        Pit bulls are the ones in the tutus with their heads resting on newborn babies’ heads, right?

        • Joanna McGinn

          yeah they rest their heads on the newborn….before the genetics kick in and they KILL the child at some point or rip off a limb….

      • Mary Ann Redfern

        We rest our case, Stein.

      • 1tonysolesky1

        Well at least the Chef has admitted that the dogs know as Pit bulls can be identified.

    • Chef David Edelstein

      PS… I will put my 25 years of dog training and rehabilitation of ALL BREEDS up against your propaganda machine any day of the week… 10 times on Sunday.

      • Jan Smith

        How is this not a breed specific issue? From 1930 to 1960 the U.S. averaged fewer than one fatal dog attack per year, yet almost all dogs ran free, less than 1% were fixed, and males far outnumbered females because of the common practice of drowning female pups to prevent surplus litters. Pit bulls during that entire 30-year span killed nine people. Dobermans killed two, one in 1955 and one in 1960, and that was enough to create the lasting image of the Doberman as a dangerous breed.
        Since 2010 we have averaged 28.7 fatalities per year from pit bulls alone. From 1960 to 1985, the U.S. averaged about 600,000 bites per year requiring medical treatment, with a dog population
        of about 35 million. From 2000 to today, with a dog population of about 70 million, the average number of dog bites per year requiring medical attention has been between 4.7 and 4.8 million.
        What changed?
        In 1960 pit bulls were about half of one percent of the U.S. dog population. By 2000 they were about 3.5%, and now they are 7% of dog births, though still only about 3.5% of the dog population due to excessively high mortality, mostly through shelter surrenders and impoundments.

        • lynnf1954

          Could you please cite the source of this information?

          • Jan Smith

            Editor of animals-24/7, Merritt Clifton.

          • No Jan. A source that is credible.

          • Mary Ann Redfern

            Still getting puppies from CALIFORNIA, ColoRADogs?

          • Hi Mary-
            Yes, we still work with reputable shelters in other states. California has one of our favorite shelters but we also bring in puppies and adults from OK (that was outlast litter), TX, NM and of course locally. Isn’t it great that CO has such high live release records that we are able to save lives that would otherwise be lost of all breeds of dogs?

          • Gabriel Barros

            Mary, coloradogs does not handle pit bulls. I don’t believe they ever did. They are a pit bull broker, a middle-man, and just recently increased their efforts to dispense pit bull propaganda and undermine public safety.

            From their newly redone website: “WE ARE NOT A SHELTER AND DO NOT HAVE A FACILITY YOU CAN VISIT.”

          • Gabriel- most rescues are foster based. Just a little tidbit of info for ya.

          • Gabriel Barros

            From what I can tell, you get a “fee” for being a middle man. On the previous version of your website, you make it look like you do keep pit dogs. That and you claimed to be an “all breed” rescue which I told you was false. At least now you state your true purpose, to promote fighting breed dogs.

          • Oh Gabriel- It must be hard to ignore the truth yes? Our website is very clear on who we are and what we do, as is our Facebook site. What are “pit dogs” exactly. Seems like a less than witty play on words. A “fee” for being a middle man? To what? You’re skewing of information isn’t even creative.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Your previous website was misleading for sure. It appeared you kept pit dogs but you do not. Now, for whatever reason, you state it.

            Pit bull advocacy is such a morally bankrupt cause. Full of lies and half truths. I used to be on the fence about the subject but after knowing how you people operate and who you hurt, I no longer having an interest in supporting such a cause. Oh, and you people are bullies for sure.

          • Somehow we doubt you were ever on the fence. If you can read, you can see who we are. Thanks for visiting our webpage though. Do we not have some dogs in rescue at our home? Do we have a small facility? Do we have fosters? Where do our dogs come from? Is it all a strange conspiracy? Should you be wearing a tinfoil hat? What are the FACTS about BSL. http://www.coloradogs.org It’s all out there Gabriel.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Your comment, “Do we not have some dogs in rescue at our home? Do we have a small facility? Do we have fosters? Where do our dogs come from? Is it all a strange conspiracy?”

            Who is “we”? LOL! I’m saying YOU don’t keep pit bull dogs.

          • I, the founder, do not have a pit bull right now. But that wouldn’t preclude me fostering one would it Gabriel? It’s really not some conspiracy Gabe and believe it or not, most rescues in CO don’t discriminate and adopt out pit bulls. After all, they are just dogs.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Your comment, “After all, they are just dogs.”

            No, they are pit bull dogs, bred for blood sport, bred to kill another dog in “the pit” in the most inhumane way possible. Herding dogs bred to herd, retrieving dogs bred to retrieve, and pointing dogs bred to point.

            If a pit bull makes a “good pet”, it is in spite of it being a pit bull and not because it is a pit bull.

          • Oh lord this old line again. *yawn* Nothing new to add huh? Have a good night Gabe.

          • Jeff Bogkart

            one vital flaw in your logic is you reckon these pitbulls end up in shelters are all willing to fight or maybe just maybe they’re being dum[ped because they won’t fight?? and equally herding dogs are not born knowing how to herd and not all of the are effective as herding dogs ?? kind of shoots big big holes in your theory but that’s what we’ve come to expect from you?

          • Jeff Bogkart

            straying from topic indicates you have nothing??

          • Jeff Bogkart

            and this is relevant to this article how?? another attempt to go off subject with baseless accusations, lies and opinion because that’s all you have?

          • Lisa Camuso

            Aw, it’s Gabe! This must be some sort of a “Chicken Little” reunion! Gabe, how many times do you need to be spanked before you realize how stupid you are? Shall I educate you again????

          • Jeff Bogkart

            trying to move off topic because your making yourself look like a fool??

          • Julia Lewis

            Jeff Bogkart, stop hiding behind that stupid name. Why do you want to mock a man who has lost his child? Is it because you are afraid of the truth?

          • Jeff Bogkart

            and this is relevant to this conversation how? , maryann,, or is this just another attempt to take the conversation off topic because your getting hammerred, ??

          • Lisa Camuso

            Hey, look who it is?!! Mary Ann!! Did they let you out of the “funny farm” for the Holiday? Keep an eye out for the milk truck Mary Ann…Thanksgiving’s over!

          • EulaF

            Mary Ann: Does it really matter where the dogs come from? A life is a life, human or animal.

          • Lisa Camuso

            Hey! It’s Aunt Edna!

          • Susan DeVilder

            You wouldn’t know what a credible source looks like ColoRADogs, as you rely on the NCRC for you information.

          • Jeff Bogkart

            every mainstream legitimate animal organization oppose bsl, and to try and suggest either DBO or Merritless or DF are legitimate and your only sources kind of explains why bsl is falling down!! experts clifton!! lol!!!!!

          • Bill

            The fact there are more heartless inconsiderate people that are more worried about an animal that can rip a person to shreds than the person getting ripped to shreds out there than sensible understanding people that are trying to save peoples lives from them unpredictable animals is why BSL is not in effect everywhere, (That’s the sad truth) This planet is full of morons. Who else in their right minds would let these so called dogs bite their nuts off and still defend their well being? 😛 None of us will with sense, I’ll tell ya that.

          • Jan Smith

            Feel free to offer up stats from a source you feel is credible…. Oh wait.. you don’t have any, that’s right 😉

          • Jeff Bogkart

            ha ha ha ha !! you are so funny Jan!!! don’t have any !! lol!! no we don’t have any we have every legitimate animal organization darl!! lol!!

          • Bill

            Oh my, color a dog, lol

          • Annie Cowan Brown

            The ONLY reason that you are trying to shake his credibility is because his 30 years worth of real information is so damming of Pit Bulls. Shame on you for protecting ANIMALS LIVES OVER PEOPLE’S LIVES. SHAME SHAME SHAME.Only thing, PEOPLE OUTSIDE of your little minority group DONT BELIEVE YOU. They’ve voted, and will continue to do so.

          • EulaF

            Ahahahahahahahaha

          • Annie Cowan Brown

            Sore…….LOSER……

          • Jeff Birdcart

            pmsl!! merritless !!! lol!! and your blaming pitbull fighting rings and conspiracies for bringing bsl down and your using merritless as a source?? ?? lol!!! google debunking merrit bifton and see what pops up?? lol!! merrit is not a statistician he is not an expert? he’s a washed up ex investigative reporter who’s been shamed into running his own little brand of hate toward pitbulls ,, he’s a creator of all things propaganda, he is the reason bsl is falling down? of him and colleen who couldn’t lie staraight in bed and jeff i’m a legend boofhead and his merry band of misfyis and perverts!!! that’s why bsl is falling down??

          • Jan Smith

            The appropriate way to challenge data is to offer an alternative source with finding that dispute said data. Resorting to challenging the source is a tactic used by people who have no way to prove the data wrong. If you pit bullies want to be taken seriously, and are so sure that pit bulls aren’t the problem, why don’t you collect the data for yourselves and release the findings? Oh, yeah, because you would prove his data right and shoot yourselves in the foot, that’s why. For people who demand that others educate themselves it’s amazing just how uneducated you are yourselves. Before you put too much stock into old Douglas Anthony Cooper’s claims about Merritt Clifton, maybe you should do a little research on who he is and why he made those claims to begin with. Mr. Cooper wrote a children’s book about pit bulls that received a negative review from a journalist and was posted on Merritt Clifton’s Animals-24/7 page, it was not written by Merritt, it was simply posted on his page. In retaliation to the negative review of his book Mr. Cooper chose to write a lengthy article completely lacking in journalistic integrity where he makes personal attacks and stoops as low as to call Merritt names all while make unfounded claims about a single comment made by Merritt to a single person who ambushed him after a speaking appearance. Mr. Cooper believes that off the record comment is somehow proof that everything Merriit has done for the last 32 years is unreliable and has been falsified. http://sruv-pitbulls.blogspot.com/2014/09/douglas-anthony-cooper.html

          • Phillipgalloway

            Mr Coopers reply is something that anyone could repeat. Anyone can look for his “peer reviewed” articles…Unfortunately they don’t exist and they never have, even though Clifton claimed they do exist. Get caught in one lie and after that all of your truths are suspect…..and so his are.

          • Joanna McGinn

            actually, they are and have been peer reviewed. You just don’t know how to find them, some are to members only and some you have to pay for the access time… and you either don’t have the money, don’t care to provide it, couldn’t understand the professional language and structure.

            This is what a ‘mild’ PB ‘bite’ looks like… and if you call that a ‘bite’ this is only part of the mauling… totally unprovoked… they were camping and a PB broke it’s chain 5 sites away and this victim was just sitting around their fire after dinner…. minding hteir own business when the lose PB ran up and attacked.

          • Lisa Camuso

            Joanna, I realize you are just a miserable lonely old lady, but has it ever occurred to you that you are coping in the wrong way? You have truly mastered the art of pointing fingers…What are you accomplishing by being obsessed with spreading lies and hate? What you know about dogs would fit through the eye of a needle….and you know it.

          • EulaF

            I call bull puckey! Even if you have to pay for them, an abstract will show up in the search. Do you even know what an abstract is?

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            Oy. You don’t have to do much research. I mention this review in the piece, don’t I?

            “That review was written by one Barbara Kay. She wrote it on July 23. Unfortunately, I have in my files an email that I sent to this same Barbara Kay on July 12, in which I said: ‘Clifton’s elementary math has been proven dismally inadequate by another blogger. This is easy enough for a non-expert to evaluate — we can all do basic arithmetic. It would be interesting (and I imagine devastating) to have a statistician take a microscope to his methodology.’

            “So. My disinterested interest in Clifton’s fraudulence predates Ms. Kay’s review. In fact, when you think about it, for her to have written that review — and for Clifton to have published it on his blog — was not precisely ‘disinterested.’ You might even call it ‘retaliatory.’ Or, to be more precise: ‘a preemptive strike.’ I’ll settle for ‘unprofessional.'”

            Jan, this kind of intellectual dishonesty would be amusing — just more internet blather — except that you people ARE GETTING DOGS KILLED.

          • HarveMorgan

            You’re just upset because you got a lousy review.

          • Lisa Camuso

            Typical DBO flying monkey, trying to take on a well respected journalist who “LEVELED” your little cult by calling out your snake salesman. Truth hurts, doesn’t it?

          • HarveMorgan

            LOL, such a hoot !! Respected journalist? Are you talking about Cooper? LOL, he is anything but that. He’s a joke, just look at him.

          • EulaF

            We think that you should take a look in the mirror yourself.

          • HarveMorgan

            I’m not the one trying to look like a Truman Capote wannabe and failing miserably doing so. Even if I looked in a mirror, Cooper would still remain a joke.

          • Lisa Camuso

            Cooper is intelligent handsome and well written…you, are impersonating a man. Who has the issues here?

          • EulaF

            Who cares what he is trying to look like. If you had any common sense at all, you would bow out gracefully while you still think you are ahead.

          • HarveMorgan

            LOL, WE ARE AHEAD !! Look at the vote or did you forget what this thread is all about? You lose, you lost, go away.

          • EulaF

            It is not over yet, my friend.

          • HarveMorgan

            No, it certainly isn’t. Officials now have something to hang their hats on, the Aurora and Miami vote. LOL, this will be fun now.

          • EulaF

            You are right. It sure is going to be fun watching you eventually sink into the sand.

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            Pat, you do realize that if “Harve” has the same hallucinations as Pat Dunaway, that she’s probably Pat Dunaway? This Truman Capote obsession, for instance: is it just a coincidence that both you and that other woman who isn’t you are convinced that I want to look like Truman Capote?

            (Btw, Capote had lousy taste in fedoras.)

          • HarveMorgan

            Who cares? Who cares? Stick to the subject, the defeat, the major defeat of you and others who support pit bulls. You lost, now go away.

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            But Pat, I want to talk about hats. And your real identity, Pat. It’s important that people know who they’re dealing with. In my case, hm, let’s see: I collect vintage fedoras. As for you? Well, you kill dogs.

            Let people weigh those two facts, and decide whether Pat Dunaway — the one who kills dogs — is somehow a superior human being by virtue of that.

          • HarveMorgan

            Look, I am not Pat for the last time, that has been debunked, catch up. Just like all the rest of the stuff you spew is outdated. Pat Dunaway has never killed dogs, she is recognized for her work saving dogs. In fact, an article has her saving pit bull puppies. Now get your stories straight or stay off the internet.

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            Interesting, Pat, how you jump to Dunaway’s defense always, indignantly, almost as if *she’s the same person as you.*

            Look, Dunaway. You wouldn’t hide behind a pseudonym, if you were “recognized for your work saving dogs.” You’re recognized for your work, yes. Which is why you don’t want to be recognized.

          • HarveMorgan

            Hey, Pat Dunaway isn’t hiding, she writes for Opposing Views. She attends meetings in SB. You jump to Wineygard’s defense don’t you? You lost the election, people don’t believe you, how many times do I need to remind you?

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            Why are you so concerned about people knowing that you’re Pat Dunaway? Seriously. Consider that. If she (you) were a respectable human being — as opposed to a vulgar, dog-killing loon — then you’d embrace that fact, wouldn’t you.

            Inquiring minds want to know WHY you’ve invented “Harve Morgan”. Why would you go to such trouble to concoct a male alter ego who — by coincidence — doesn’t share any of your truly nasty history?

          • HarveMorgan

            Give it up. What’s the matter? Have writer’s block and can’t just seem to get that next novel out, much less published? How sad that you feel so frustrated that you make up these stories about people you don’t even know. It is sad to see how low you have had to go by writing children’s books now.

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            Oh, Pat. Don’t you worry about my career now. Some of us don’t share your contempt for children’s literature.

            But most people share my contempt for your brutal career, Pat. Again: why the pseudonym? What are you embarrassed about? Why don’t you embrace your identity, if you’re famed as a rescuer of animals? Is there something about being Pat Dunaway that… well, upsets you?

          • Gabriel Barros

            Encouraging children to get pit bull dogs is irresponsible. No child can handle a pit bull if it decides to maul or kill something. You only hurt the breed you wish to advocate for.

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            Gabriel, no child can handle ANY medium-to-large-sized dog if it gets out of hand. Which is why you ensure that this situation doesn’t arise. What I encourage is that people understand how to keep children safe around dogs. And this has nothing to do with breed. Moreover, to concentrate upon breed distracts from the main issue here: which is proper training and behavior.

            I’m not advocating for any one breed, by the way. I have no particular interest in bully breeds and mixes, per se. I care about *dogs*, and this is one kind of dog that gets killed by the millions, based upon lousy science.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Your comment, “Gabriel, no child can handle ANY medium-to-large-sized dog if it gets out of hand. Which is why you ensure that this situation doesn’t arise.”

            Your children’s book says otherwise. You encourage children to ask mommie and daddy for a fighting breed dog. Sounds pretty irresponsible to me.

            Even this thick full grown woman can’t get her pit bull to unlock its grip. What makes you think encouraging children to get fighting breed dogs is okay?

            How don’t you advocate for pit bulls? HUE HUE HUE!

            http://youtu.be/9ZTiGWgQubA

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            Again, you don’t know what my books says. You can’t. It’s not out yet. You don’t know what I encourage or don’t encourage.

            And this “locking grip” notion is precisely the ludicrous science we’re dealing with. Pit bull types have jaws that are morphologically no different from any other dog’s. Their jaws DON’T LOCK.

          • Gabriel Barros

            From your website:

            “Galunker is a pit bull. He looks really mean,
            but is about as threatening as a marshmallow.”

            Now I would like a word count on how many times the word pit bull appears in your book and compare it to German Shepherd Dog. Then we’ll see who you advocate for.

            Sadly, I won’t be buying your book. 😉

            For your information, the GSD community doesn’t need help from you pit bull advocates. From what I can see, pit bull owners drag other breeds down with them. Very sad thing to say but this is the truth. I’ve read this on other dog breed forums.

            The “locking grip” is not a physical attribute but a genetically programmed one based on prey drive, gameness, and breed specific behaviors. If you’ve ever read the statements of pit bull attack victims you’ll see a common theme where the pit bull “wouldn’t let go”, “like a vise”, “we beat the dog and it wouldn’t let go”. Dog fighters created pit bulls this way. Pit bulls enjoy this behavior and dog fighters capitalized on this.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Don’t forget to put this on your Galunker website.

            http://youtu.be/9i55QQbq9_I

          • Gabriel Barros

            Your comment, “I’m not advocating for any one breed, by the way. I have no particular interest in bully breeds and mixes, per se. I care about *dogs*, and this is one kind of dog that gets killed by the millions, based upon lousy science.”

            You’re a liar. I saw your facebook page. You don’t care about dogs. You care about fighting breed dogs. How could you? You advocate for a breed of dog bred to kill another dog in “the pit” in the most inhumane way possible. That’s not very nice.

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            On my facebook page, you’ll see that I spend most of my time these days advocating on behalf of a chihuahua killed by PETA. And most of my advocacy involves sighthounds. I care that your superstitions kill dogs. Period. It has nothing to do with their putative breed. It has to do with ignorance, and the mass slaughter of pets.

            “Harve” Dunaway’s allegations are mostly comical, but one thing she does in fact have right: I don’t own a bully breed. I don’t have a galgo, either, but I spend a lot of time trying to save them from slaughter.

            So, feel free to call me a liar, based on all sorts of things you haven’t read, but the FACT — not that you care — is that my allegiance is to No Kill, not to any one kind of dog.

            And I really can’t believe you’ve dragged me into a conversation. I have a policy of not engaging with the DBO cult.

            You keep babbling away; I’m out of here.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Your facebook page screams pit nutter. HUE HUE HUE!

            Your comment, “So, feel free to call me a liar, based on all sorts of things you haven’t read, but the FACT — not that you care — is that my allegiance is to No Kill, not to any one kind of dog.”

            yes, I am calling you a liar.

            no kill” is a fantasy that causes suffering to more dogs than it helps.

            Your comment, “And I really can’t believe you’ve dragged me into a conversation. I have a policy of not engaging with the DBO cult.”

            What have I said that was false?

          • HarveMorgan

            Give it up, you are beyond ridiculous, debunked and running behind. Washed up is what I call you.

          • Lisa Camuso

            Typical mindless response…how come I am not surprised…it’s that cult member mentality.

          • HarveMorgan

            You’re not surprised because you are the one who is mindless if you follow Cooper.

          • Lisa Camuso

            It beats following a scammer , like Merritt…where did the donations go anyway???? Ask Merritt next time you chat…. where did the donations go that were supposed to go to the Romanian shelter..?

          • HarveMorgan

            I have asked already, it was rationally and logically explained, no problem. Now you go find the truth like the rest of us have already done. Can one say ‘slow learner’?

          • Lisa Camuso

            Oh, trust me….your crazy friend Merritt has put himself in quite a mess. He has quite the history…and let’s not confuse the word “explained” with “exonerated”.

          • Annie Cowan Brown

            youre such an ass.

          • Lisa C

            and you are one nano second away from having a nervous break down. WHat happened to your Unbiased group? LOLOL Yeahhhhh. Go find yourself, please.

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            Wondrously perceptive as always, Pat. I’ll be even more upset if DBO gives me a bad review. Please tell them not to say anything mean.

          • HarveMorgan

            Don’t worry, I’m sure your girlfriend will like the book. BTW, the Aurora vote has evened the playing field. Now officials can turn to the voters in Miami and Aurora to stand up against the pit community. Officials are jumping for joy at this overwhelming landslide of the people voicing themselves. Now they can point to the majority and tell the pitters to take a hike. Now, how’s that for perceptive?

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            Oh, that’s perceptive. Nationwide these laws are being repealed, Pat, but you just keep jumping for joy. (Can you even jump? Distressing image.)

            In Australia and Canada you could celebrate, yes. Bigots are winning. In America, you have the occasional Pyrrhic victory (look it up), but you’ve lost the war.

            And please don’t put the image of Pat Dunaway jumping into my mind. Thanks in advance.

          • HarveMorgan

            LOL, see what I mean, you are soooo far behind. Don’t you know that this is the new propaganda being distributed running damage control for the Aurora vote? Your new marching order from Berman, spread this around, maybe some will believe it. LOL you are so funny, have you thought about a new career? I am friends with the owners of the Comedy Store.

          • JenJen

            Your book sucks and so do you. Both failures. That’s what you get!

          • Bill

            DouglasAnthonyCooper, Are you still out and about speading your ignorance around like you know everything about this type of so called dog that is ripping children apart? Where are your manners, no I’m not Mr Clifton either, but someone else thanks you and the others for the compliment. 😉

          • Lisa Camuso

            Hey Bill, I know everything about these dogs…how about you try to debunk me and my knowledge? I am here to educate you anytime.

          • jim

            You know nothing but it’s ok to dream, little bus rider. Baw hahahahahaha

          • Lisa Camuso

            Poor Jim…frustrated about his life being a chubby chaser…he should be happy he’s found a whopper, unfortunately, Jim didn’t realize his huge wife was absolutely crazy too,

          • Merritt is an academic fraud Tony but again, you are distracting from the question. We have to admit, you do seem to be a true politician. But why won’t you qualify your claims of expertise? Because, like Merritt and so many of your cohorts, you have none. We’ll wait….

          • EulaF

            The only thing that a real educated person can do is to laugh about Merritt and his elementary statistics, just like I am laughing at you!

          • lynnf1954

            No credentials.

          • Jeff Bogkart

            About 187,000 results (0.52 seconds)

            Showing results for debunking merritt clifton
            Search instead for debunking merrit clifton

          • EulaF

            Wow! You call that a credible source?

          • Lisa Camuso

            Oh dear God, Jan…are you kidding me? Merritt? LOL…Merritt is a fraud. He has been outed so many times and he runs away when anyone with a brain asks to debate him… I am still waiting for him to take me up on my offer… He runs away every time. he’s a fake, a coward and knows nothing about canine behavior, training and bully breeds. Now, be a good flying monkey and tell him I am waiting for him to debate me, will you?

          • jim

            Hahahahahaha, tuff words, ruff ruff

          • Lisa Camuso

            I don’t understand…are you speaking to your wife? Spell check, my friend…BTW, why are you avoiding a debate?

          • jim

            You know the comment was directed at you. I’m just surprised you haven’t hung your ugly self yet. Hahahahahaha

          • Lisa Camuso

            Ah, yes….the intelligence is leaking from you as each second passes….lolol …not a very pithy comeback….

          • jim

            Sorry the truth hurts, baw hahahahahaha

          • Lisa Camuso

            The truth lies inside that household of yours….you can’t fix crazy, brother….and I do not think it’s possible to sew your testicles back on,

          • jim

            Hahaha , more stupid baseless comments. God you’re pathetic. Goes to show why your parents should have had anal. Bawhahahaha

        • Jim Murray Mahutga

          He knows nothing about dogs. Just a self proclaimed trainer, lol

          • Mary Ann Redfern

            Is that your intelligent comment, Jimbo?

          • jim

            Was that yours?

          • Jeff Birdcart

            keep up the good work Jim very witty by far better then anything i’ve seen from you?? tudoring?? lol? blink bklink

          • Lisa Camuso

            I do….and I am here to educate you…how about you and your plus size wife debate me

          • jim

            You couldn’t educate a 5 year old. Lol. And before you try and insult somebody’s wife , take a good look in the mirror, hahahahahaha. Ruff ruff

          • Lisa Camuso

            Oh, buddy…I’m sorry to break it to you, but your wife is NOT what the rest of the world think is attractive…well, maybe in one or two third world countries… Look, you married her so it’s your poison, you poor SOB….if I had a heart for you cult members, I’d grace you with some affection. The fact is, your wife has contributed to libelous blogs…she has harassed innocent people and she stalks people…Psst, despite her scary appearance, she has prahhhblems in the head, Jim. She hides behind a pulpit and claims to be some sort of Holy roller, when in fact, she is nothing more than a miserable psychotic insecure booger. Did you know you own a dog that is known to be aggressive toward both Humans and other animals…? Yeah, keep preaching….lol

          • jim

            Apparently you haven’t looked in the mirror lately. I figured as much, baw hahahahahaha

          • Lisa Camuso

            are you a chubby chaser, Jim?

          • Donna

            LISA YOUR JUST A DUMB PERSON AND SHOULD STAY OFF ANY DISCUSSIONS.
            HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THE LADY JOANNA IS OLD? I WOULD SAY YOU HAVE A PIT BULL MOUTH AND A MICE BRAIN.

          • Lisa Camuso

            Before you state someone is dumb, may I suggest you check your grammar? LOL

          • Annie Cowan Brown

            Are you chubby Lisa?

          • Liger

            Annie, honey…are you bored? I’m a little concerned that you are trolling an article’s comments from 6 months ago…But then again, I’m not surprised… You flying monkeys usually lack a social life and therefore, have only your keyboards to keep you busy…You poor thing.

          • Liger

            BTW, Liger is Lisa …just in case you think I’m hiding….XO

          • Annie Cowan Brown

            😉

          • Annie Cowan Brown

            😉

          • jim

            Ps, sorry about your recent losses, hahahahahaha.

          • Lisa Camuso

            Are you high or just dipping into the bingo juice again? I can see you are a bit delusional and part of me feels sorry for you because who you chose to spend you life with…you poor thing.

        • Jeff Birdcart

          you been taking merrit lessons there i see?? or just copy and paste?? apart from your profile pic your language identifies you as a foot soldier for the propaganda militia?

          • Jan Smith

            Gosh, as much of a pit bully as you are, you’d think this article was talking specifically about you. You are using a fake name in an attempt to mock the grieving father of a child that was mauled to death by pit bulls and yet somehow we are the ones with no merit?

          • Jeff Bogkart

            FYI !!! Jeff Birdcart is a “page” you simpleton and after all boofheads remarks ?? to call him a victim is a stretch considering the amount of victims he’s left in his wake?? anti freeze?? peanut butter and 12 year olds, and then there’s the stalking?

          • Annie Cowan Brown

            ;*

          • Annie Cowan Brown

            Jeff Borchart, jeff Bogart, Jeff Borchart, Jeff Boofhead, Boofhead friends, are all Terry Holt, I believe thats the name. Terry is not happy with Jeff. So he opened a half dozen pages in response to his unhappiness.

          • Lisa Camuso

            well, Annie…we know it’s not really Jeff…because the posts show who ever is posting knows what they are talking about.

        • Gabriel Barros

          If anyone is on the fence about pit bulls being a breed specific problem all we have to do is look at coloradogs. They are a breed specific advocacy group! Their entire existence is based on promoting fighting breed dogs.

          Pit bulls are special. They were bred for the sole purpose of killing another dog in “the pit” in the most inhumane way possible. Pit bulls kill more humans than all other breeds COMBINED.

          • ezaspie

            This is a total lie! They were also bred to fight tethered bulls and bears…

          • Jeff Bogkart

            considering dog figting has been banned for many many years your allegation that these dogs are bred to fight is a bald faced lie,, FYI there’s no such thing as a pitbull if you calling it a breed, “pitbull” is generic term used to describe over 25 breeds , and you wonder why BSL is being repealed?? are you not playing with a full deck of cards??

          • Gabriel Barros

            Your comment, “considering dog figting has been banned for many many years your allegation that these dogs are bred to fight is a bald faced lie”

            Every few months there’s another dog fighting ring busted by the FBI. All of them involves pit bull dogs.

            What makes you think just because it’s dog fighting is illegal it does not occur?

            Just recently there was a guy who videotaped his pit bull killing another dog in his front yard. It included his commentary encouraging the “dog fight”. I’d hardly call it a dog fight as the other dog was half the size. But that’s what bullies love about their pit bull dogs.

          • Bill

            They were Bred for fighting many years ago and that trait is still in each and everyone of their Bloodlines. All them Breeds you speak of are in fact “Pit Bull” by their Gene Pool and that is all that matters, they are all Pit Bulls making them all dangerous as the next. Having a few different races in a gang doesn’t change the fact they are still a gang now does it?

          • Lisa Camuso

            Care for me to educate you, flying monkey?

          • Julia Lewis

            What were they bred for then? Rounding up sheep?

        • Jeff Bogkart

          you group over 25 breeds into one group and then try and label them as a breed and yet you have to wonder why it’s not working?? lol!!! about says it all Jan=fanatical foamer

      • HarveMorgan

        You tell lies on a Sunday? Shame on you.

        • DouglasAnthonyCooper

          Comical. “Harve”, your very NAME is a lie. Important to stress that “Harve Morgan” is in fact Pat Dunaway, who is responsible for the death of more than simply bully breeds. She’s had a nasty career as a shelter worker — she’s associated with one of the most notorious kill shelters in America. And she’s long been engaged in a toxic (if only semi-coherent) campaign to discredit No Kill.

          • HarveMorgan

            Got any proof, buddy? Put it on the table.

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            Um, we presented you with a screenshot, didn’t we Pat. Of you admitting that you were now posting as “Harve Morgan.” And you said that we had procured this by “hacking your account.” Oy. There isn’t much better proof than that, capable of being put on the table. Is there. A video, maybe? (Although PETA is now denying a video of them stealing a dog. So there’s no such thing as proof in this world, I suppose. Pat.)

          • HarveMorgan

            What you had was a hacked account, hacked by your groupies. You have nothing, absolutely nothing. In fact, don’t you operator on useless information such as the lawsuit in SB that never happened?

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            How exactly do you hack an account, Pat? Am I hacking your account now, to make you bleat these lies? Perhaps you’re hacking my account, and this isn’t really me?

            Frankly, if I had your past, I’d probably want to check out of reality too.

          • HarveMorgan

            Oh I do believe there are quite a number of screen shots of you conspiring with your cohorts to do just that. Shall I put those up? I would love to because those shots look like a bunch of school girls talking. You love that, don’t you?

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            I’m sure there are, Pat. Hundreds, even. Thousands! And they’re all on file with the FBI!

            You’re ridiculous.

            Oh, and by the way: let’s say someone from No Kill did know how to hack your account, “Harve.” And decided to make up a long incoherent post pretending to be Pat Dunaway. Don’t you think they might write something that didn’t go into a grand comical fiction about No Kill burning your house down?

            Probably didn’t consider that, did you, Pat.

          • HarveMorgan

            Have you tried to come into this country lately, DA? You are so clueless. Aren’t you aware of all the terrorism in LA because of No Kill? If not, go to my page and the links are in a note. You don’t know squat about No Kill, do you, when it comes right down to it. Oh yes, the FBI is involved, fool.

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            Gosh, “Harve”. What a coincidence that you and Pat Dunaway hallucinate about terrorism and the FBI. Is it possible that…

            … you’re the same person?

          • HarveMorgan

            You know she is a friend. We invited you guys to meet us in Sacramento but no one showed because you want to keep this little game going. We have pictures. Now drop it, you’ve been debunked. We both live in the same area, we both share the same issues. What happened to that lawsuit in SB, BTW? Did it materialize? Where’s all those writeups you threatened about Devore? Ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            Pat, there’s something uniquely disturbing about someone with imaginary friends.

            Honestly, Pat, do you imagine that ANYONE believes you? This is just getting silly. Nobody on either side of the issue has any illusions here: “Harve Morgan” is not even a particularly good invention. You haven’t even tried to disguise your speech patterns. (I guess you don’t refer to your ass in every third sentence, but that’s about it. And we know that even writing under your own name you’re capable of keeping that charming tendency under control.)

          • HarveMorgan

            Cooper, you lost the vote, we are using it against you and your kind. You come on here two weeks late for one reason, to harass me. Sorry, you don’t bother me. I laugh at you and your foolishness. You lost big time in Aurora. And we intend to take this and run with it. Obviously the majority of people don’t believe you or yours, wouldn’t you say?

          • Gabriel Barros

            So you wrote a book about pit bulls? Well, someone made a video about pit bulls.

            http://youtu.be/JvMXVHVr72A

          • HarveMorgan

            Who cares? Aurora voted against pits because the majority of people don’t believe you anyway.

          • Guest

            Take that freak show!

          • JenJen

            See all these children and their “beloved” pet pits? They were all killed by the dogs who betrayed them by pretending to love them.

          • JenJen

            Here’s my friend Tanya. Hope it’s not you next, Coops. But would rather it be you than the poor children you advocate the most murderous breed to in your ridiculous book.

          • Joanna McGinn

            HAHAHAHAHAAHAH ROFLMAOWTIME…. GOSH are you REALLY that stupid?????

            And a whole lot of other people who do REAL rescue are NOT on the no-Kill stupidity bandwagon. OH DAG you are the most hysterical and more likely to be Clay Hundenshire… you are so desperate to keep killer dogs on the street that you can’ help but lie ….

          • HarveMorgan

            Yeah, yeah, so you say. Any proof?

          • JenJen

            Oh Douglas. You poor sociopath putting the most murderous breed on a pedestal above all other life form. I feel for you. Here’s a good book I highly suggest you read…describes your kind to a T. http://www.amazon.com/Without-Conscience-Disturbing-World-Psychopaths/dp/1572304510

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            That’s actually quite a good book — I read a long excerpt. Psychopaths are interesting. Unfortunately, I’m not one. How do I know this? Well — coincidentally — I just took a so-called “Dark Triad” test, and ended up kind of low on the scale of sociopathic tendencies. Okay, to be honest: extremely low. I was a bit disappointed. Now, people who cheerlead for the slaughter of *millions* of dogs… they should probably give that test a shot. I’ll see if I can find it for you.

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            Ah. Here we go. Give it a shot, Jen. Actually, I’ll be honest: you seem more confused than vicious. (I’d *love* to see “Harve” give it a try, however. Let’s see where Pat Dunaway, She-Wolf of Devore, lands on the psychopathy chart.)

            http://personality-testing.info/tests/SD3.php

          • Gabriel Barros

            I doubt you’re being honest with yourself, advocating for a fighting breed dog and all.

            Journal of Interpersonal Violence

            Volume 21 Number 12 December 2006

            Ownership of High-Risk (“Vicious”) Dogs as a Marker for Deviant Behaviors

            Implications for Risk Assessment

            “The analysis revealed that owners of HR (high risk) dogs had significantly more criminal convictions and traffic citations in all categories except crimes involving children.”

            “Professionals such as child and adult protection investigators, law enforcement officers, pediatricians and medical practitioners, home visiting professionals, domestic violence investigators, and public health nurses may find it useful to be informed about the breed and specific behaviors of the dogs that share the environment with their clients. First, be aware that the dog breed, ESPECIALLY OWNING A PIT BULL, MAY BE A RISK MARKER.”

          • Joanna McGinn

            You listen not to discover, but to find something that confirms
            your own thoughts.

            You argue, not to find the truth, but to vindicate your thinking.

            Anthony de Mello, S.J.

          • Annie Cowan Brown

            Good to know. Unfortunately, I would NEVER TAKE ANY ADVICE from a man who so SHAMELESSLY PROMOTES DANGEROUS DOGS TO CHILDREN. I HOPE that they will be able to trace any attacks that YOU are responsible for via your little, “Just trying to make a living” book. Another shameful person. How DO you sleep at night?

          • EulaF

            I don’t know about Douglas, but I sleep very well with my pit bull at my side.

        • Lisa Camuso

          The sky is falling; the sky is falling!!!!!!!!

          • HarveMorgan

            It really is if you think Cooper is a respected journalist.

          • Lisa Camuso

            I’m sorry to break it to you…but you aren’t very good at “comebacks”.

      • Julie Edwards-Matanga

        Bob Cronk’s buddy, the Chef from Denver, where pit bulls are also banned. He also likes to pick on victims.

        • Lisa Camuso

          …and you, “Wide Load” (who likes to hide behind a pulpit, despite the lack of a pulpit big enough),…you like to stalk and harass people just for being a responsible dog owner….BTW, you still writing 5th grade poetry? Wink, wink!!!!

      • Mary Ann Redfern

        Who cares? Who are you and who cares what you think?

        • Phillipgalloway

          The same can be said of you.

          • EulaF

            The same is actually said about her!

      • 1tonysolesky1

        Actually Chef David Edelstien, I will put my 45 years of experience with dog breeding up against your training 10 dollars to every one you put up. I will bet you I can pick a dog from a litter that will by breed perform a task better than any dog of another breed you pick will be able to be trained. I will bet you I can also pick a pit bull from a litter and without any training get it to fight the baddest beagle or poodle and just about most other breeds that you actively try and train to fight. Training is merely the direction of instincts and ones success with the same exact training methods is purely limited by a dogs breeding. Many people confuse obedience training with how to direct a dog. In reality you breed for behavior and you encourage it. All else is the lording over and breaking of a dog in discipline/obedience a response that the dog chooses to participate in and why sometimes they deify our expectations and commands. Instincts on the other hand are not about choices. The best dog is a dog bred for and then trained to that purpose.

        • Phillipgalloway

          A house painter with 45 yrs experience training dogs. ROFLMAO

          • 1tonysolesky1

            Dog breeding not training although you could take me up on my offer since I would be easy money. hell lets make it 20 to 1

          • Phillipgalloway

            I would if I thought you could up hold your end of the bargain.

          • 1tonysolesky1

            Whats the difference? Take a Pit bull to a field trail and train it to compete against those dogs and prove me wrong even if I could not hold my end of the bargain. Hell,I bet you could get all kinds of takers. I can’t wait to see you train a fighting Poodle. The whole Idea of breed neutral is not only counter to the establishment of the AKC and various other breed organizations it sounds stupid to anyone that actually knows about dogs breeding and training. Just prove me wrong you don’t need me to do that.

          • Phillipgalloway

            How can breed neutral sound stupid to any one but someone that hates a particular “TYPE” of animal? Making all owners responsible for the actions of their dogs is the right thing to do. Breed is irrelevant for responsibility. Your problem is you believe the mere fact that someone owns a pit bull is irresponsible. There are millions of pit bulls and their mixes that did not and never will hurt anyone or thing.
            You and the rest of the DBO crowd have blood on your hands everytime a child dies by a breed not covered by your vaunted BSL.

          • 1tonysolesky1

            I agree with the first part of your statement but where you state my problem you do not make sense. The word breed implies explicitly the physical and instinctual proliferation of characteristics through unnatural selection. The term is used to identify dogs of the same species as completely different. I do not agree with breeding dogs for fighting. I do not agree that because you do not use a pointing dog for hunting birds it is any less a bird dog. I do not believe because you do not use a Pit Bull for fighting it is any less a fighting. Now unless you can state some difference the breed has not used as a pet compared to a bird dog not used for a pet than the breed serves no great purpose to justify the danger. And if you can identify some great difference by breed , you would be supporting my point.

          • So Tony- For the sake of clarity. The kissyface report states that the mother took her child out of the playpen and he was on the ground when she went upstairs. Let’s make sure we keep facts as facts. Also, are you, or is she aware, that some of these very people you defend were trolling her FB page shortly after the death, making fun of her family? The exact same behavior they exhibited with the family of the 7 year old killed by the Rottie earlier? How would that fall under “victim advocacy.” It’s an honest question so care to offer an opinion? Also since you bred for 33 years and trained for 45? Surely you have a kennel name for your successful field champion Brittany Spaniels? What would that kennel name be? Who’s your top dog in your kennels? Does Merritt know you’re a hunter?

            Secondly, in your comments about rescue dogs needing to be euthanized? Can you clarify because it sure seems like you’re asking for the death of rescue dogs and saying they are all largely damaged. Also, why would you encourage adoption of a a dog with submissive tendencies when this trait is most likely to develop into a dog with fear issues? With fear biting being a common case of injury or death in dog attacks?

            Lastly, it’s honestly a bit appalling that you would ask Chef David to train a dog for a fight (first a felony, secondly a depraved suggestion and one that people in advocacy abhor). However, are you also saying that dogs in the breed ring or backyard bred trial dogs are equal in their traits and one could simply get a dog off of craigslist (say a Brittany) and they would do well with field work just as a dog you’ve bred? What about if you bred them with a collie? Still going to exhibit the same ability to hunt?

          • Gabriel Barros

            Your comment, “Also, why would you encourage adoption of a a dog with submissive tendencies when this trait is most likely to develop into a dog with fear issues?”

            A dog being submissive is not necessarily fearful. It is just a dog that, by submission, wishes something in return. A fearful dog will run away or hide, a submissive dog will drop his head or curl the corners of his mouth and not run away.

            Just because a dog is submissive in no way indicates “fear issues”.

            Your comment, “With fear biting being a common case of injury or death in dog attacks?”

            I don’t know of any dog attack which led to death as a result of “fear biting”. Fear biting is a quick bite and release.

            I find it distressing that someone like yourself, who seems to have been around rescue dogs for a good amount of time does not know these things. You are a legend in your own mind.

          • I think Tony can answer fro himself Gabriel and doesn’t need you to come running to his rescue. Please read more on dog behavior and fear based issues in dogs. We didn’t write it we just think due diligence is important before someone pops off as if they know. So you are OK with Tony’s characterization that rescue dogs are largely damaged and should be killed?

          • Gabriel Barros

            Your comment, “I think Tony can answer fro himself Gabriel and doesn’t need you to come running to his rescue.”

            It’s a public forum, get over yourself pit nutter.

            Your comment, “So you are OK with Tony’s characterization that rescue dogs are largely damaged and should be killed?”

            There are dogs within certain breeds which, when abused, may make poor candidates for adoption. Dog trainers and no-kill advocates over emphasize the success of behavior modification and there are many unrealistic dog trainers that don’t take into consideration that the combination of abuse and/or poor training and genetics, make a dog too dangerous for adoption.

            Abuse and mishandling can ruin a dog for life. It all depends on the dog’s temperament and “rehabbers” like to think all dogs can be rehabilitated but this is not true.

          • Yes Gabriel, we know it’s a public forum. That’s would be stating the obvious. But again, we think Tony can answer for his own statements. He also did not say some breeds, he said “rescue dogs” (see screenshot above).

            So what certain breeds do you deem unworthy of being saved Gabriel? (and no we do not mean aggressive individual dogs, we also believe they do not belong in homes). We don’t rehab dogs, we find most do not need it. They simply need to be allowed to be dogs and not be exploited.

            So by your assertion that:

            “Abuse and mishandling can ruin a dog for life. It all depends on the dog’s temperament and “rehabbers” like to think all dogs can be rehabilitated but this is not true.” You would be stating that, “a dog” would mean an individual dog yes? So why ask for the deaths of all dogs who look a certain way? Doesn’t really make sense when you remove the hysteria does it?

          • Gabriel Barros

            Your comment, “Yes Gabriel, we know it’s a public forum. That’s would be stating the obvious.”

            Apparently you’re unaware of this fact.

            Your comment, “So what certain breeds do you deem unworthy of being saved Gabriel?”

            For example protection breeds and breeds which are known for high predation instincts should be looked at differently when being evaluated. Golden Retrievers and other more gentle breeds are less likely to become deadly weapons from abuse and can be adopted out more easily.

            Your comment, “You would be stating that, “a dog” would mean an individual dog yes? So why ask for the deaths of all dogs who look a certain way? Doesn’t really make sense when you remove the hysteria does it?”

            Your’re taking my comments out of context. I previously stated, “There are dogs within certain breeds which, when abused, may make poor candidates for adoption.”

            I was merely speaking in general, I thought the previous sentences made sense to you.

          • Unfortunately not a lot makes sense from your “side.” Not when examining facts.

            So protection breeds? G. Sheps, Dobies, Rotties, Belgian Mals, Bouviers, Briards, and about 30 more.

            High pray drive? Sooo…all terriers?

            Goldens? Even the breed clubs are discussing temperament issues as of late and you do know that Labs are the number on biter in the Front Range of CO yes?

            So what’s the meaning of “in general?” Because your rubric kills a ton of dogs of all sorts of breeds.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Yes, I said protection breeds.

            Regardless of what temperament issues Golden Retrievers might have they are overshadowed by the pit bull’s dog aggression and breed specific behaviors. A bad Golden Retriever doesn’t do what a bad pit bull does. They are not the same thing.

            The Golden Retrievers I’ve met have been great dogs. Some a bit boisterous but a far cry from a nasty pit bull. How many Golden Retrievers have killed people so far this year? How about pit bull dogs?

            Your comment, “So what’s the meaning of “in general?” Because your rubric kills a ton of dogs of all sorts of breeds.”

            Okay, you’re playing a game and people being mauled and killed by pit bull dogs is not a game. I can see you are flippant regarding the pit bull attack victims issue. What’s it like to be a altruistic and morally bankrupt pit bull advocate?

          • We are hardly playing a game and think victims of attacks regardless of breed need support and help. The difference is we don’t care what type of dog it is. We think all owners would be held accountable. I think there was a child killed by a Golden Retriever mix a year or two ago Gabriel. Or does that child not count because it wasn’t a dog with a blocky head and short hair. We’ve seen some great victims advocacy and dog bite prevention groups. You and your cohorts unfortunately are not involved in a single on of them. It’s not a game. Nor is posting the picture of children who have been killed without parents permission so that they never know when they joy come across that photo and be destroyed and have any healing they’ve done be brought down. Nor is trolling parents pages who’s children have been killed and mocking them like the seven year old in WI, where your buddies went and relentlessly harassed them and attacked them and made their process even more miserable. Nor is the posting we have mocking Kissyface’s owners about them practicing voodoo or trying to bring their child back to life. We know there are people who have pit bulls that act like asses too but to call yourselves victim advocates and do what you do is reprehensible. It’s predatory and lacks any sense of compassion.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Your comment, “The difference is we don’t care what type of dog it is.”

            No, you wish other breeds were as dangerous to take some of the heat off of pit bulls. You are exclusively a pit bull advocacy group. Nothing more. I have NEVER read anything from you that would indicate otherwise.

            Your comment, “Nor is trolling parents pages who’s children have been killed and mocking them like the seven year old in WI, where your buddies went and relentlessly harassed them and attacked them and made their process even more miserable.”

            I don’t know of any BSL advocate who harasses victims of pit bull attacks. I have never read such comments.

            As far at “trolling”, pit bull advocates do this all the time. Every pit bull attack news article is flooded with pit bull propaganda asking people not to believe that someone or someone’s pet was mauled or killed by a pit bull. If anyone is guilty of “trolling” it’s pit bull advocates.

            Your comment, “Nor is the posting we have mocking Kissyface’s owners about them practicing voodoo or trying to bring their child back to life.”

            I don’t know who that is.

            Your comment, “We know there are people who have pit bulls that act like asses too but to call yourselves victim advocates and do what you do is reprehensible.”

            I’ve had enough real life experience with pit bulls, pit bull advocates, and pit bull owners to have a good sense of how you people operate. It’s disgusting.

            I do believe all pit bull owners/advocates have serious issues. I’ve been fooled before.

          • What you wrote is just painful Gabriel. We hope you don’t really believe that. Colleen’s got quite the cult going.

          • Gabriel Barros

            What part of my comment do you think is from Colleen Lynn?

          • Oh Gabriel. Please just think about your complete and utter denial of your friends behavior. You are lock step in line with Colleen and all of her dog bites exploiting buddies. It’s so unbelievably sad. You even make comments about us that are counter to what is obvious on our website, on our statements and on our activities. It’s just so, so sad.

          • Gabriel Barros

            No, I know this from personal experience. I had the pleasure of meeting Carla Ann Thomas when I was on vacation in Florida. A few years later I find out this pit bull breeder/rescuer/advocate as banned from the AKC and had 3 animal cruelty charges against her. I also had the displeasure of having a neighbor who kept and bred pit bull dogs. All his pit bulls had some sort of issue. Well, I call them issues but from the view of the people who used pit bulls for what they are bred for, it is normal behavior. I have also known a few people with pit bulls and a few pit bull BYBs.

            This is all from personal experience, not from Dogsbite.org. Dogsbite only confirmed and expanded on what I already knew.

            The concept of purpose bred working dogs is not foreign to me. What was foreign to me is the concept of pit bull dogs and their “work”. Actually I didn’t pay much attention to pit bulls until about a year ago. I knew what they were and I just told people to stay away from them and get another breed. I really don’t give a chit about your pit dogs anymore.

          • 1tonysolesky1

            I also agree with you about when a child dies by some other uncovered breed. That is why I support strict liability for all dog owners. I support BSL as for the Banning of certain breeds that are likely to cause the most damage. No, I don’t believe we should live in a world where we can do whatever we want as long as we have insurance. I believe the need for insurance,is suppose to make us vigilant in the realization that things happen and so we both take precautions and insure for the inevitable. People are so self absorbed with Pit Bulls because they are always at the certain of the debate in the first place, unlike beagles.And that is clearly because of their breed. Nonetheless, BSL isn’t about pit bulls only, it is about all kinds of deviant breeds, such a wolf dogs and what ever other concoctions deviants can come up with. If breeds were an act of nature even like a deadly Lion, than I would say defending a breed such as a Pit Bull makes sense. Instead they are like all breeds, nothing more than a concoction, a deadly one. Ban that Breed and end the DEED!

          • Joanna McGinn

            Another two Pit owners who trusted that ‘any dog can bite’ nonsense.

        • EulaF

          Here you have it, folks. A confession in black and white that Tony Solesky is a breeder and supports dog fighting. SHAME on you!

          • heather

            I want to know what he breeds, and if his dogs are registered.

        • Heather

          Tony’s a dog breeder? What type of showing do you do?

          • Lisa Camuso

            Tony’s a breeder, huh? I think I might ask a few AKC judges about him….I have a lot to show them

        • Tony- Why are you not listed nor any of your dogs, in any kennel club, field trill club or local all breed or breed club? Also, if you are 54-55, you started training dogs at 9-10 years old?

          • 1tonysolesky1

            I grew up next door to an man that bred Akita’s and Beagles and rescued all kinds of dogs. I spent time with these dogs every day. Finally when I moved I pursued, trained and hunted Brittany gun dogs as my personal hunting companions. I also consorted with my closest dog hunting and American Field competitor and judge with his line personal line of English Pointers. We spent most of our time developing my dogs for hunting and his for competition in American Field. He kenneled his dogs at Trac Haven farms in Glen Rock PA under the care and oversight of Gerald Tracey who is actually in the Bird dog hall of fame. I certainly never saw anything in dog training that impressed me as particularly unachievable by even a below average intelligent person. The key is good breeding lines, dedication and work if you wish to compete. That part of it was never too much of my bag. I loved the out of the box beauty well bred Brittany. I actually am unsure what you are getting at.

          • We are asking you to qualify the credentials you claim to have. You use an appeal to authority in your arguments. So for your claims of being a “breeder” and “trainer” for so many decades. We are going to assume that the fact you are unsure what we are getting at is a pretty clear indication that your claims of expertise are false. You also did not answer any of the direct questions we asked.

          • 1tonysolesky1

            ColoRaDogs, It is natural for you to look for something wrong with me so as to discredit my statements. The facts are simple, even if a thief says it is wrong to steal, the fact they are a thief does not change that fact. My statements are clear I have extensive experience with dog breeding, dog training and competing dogs. I am not a neophyte to the dog world beyond simply (AS 98% of people) keeping them and only understanding them as companions. In my post I stake my 45 years of dog training and breeding experience what ever that may be and certainly if it is limited all the more reason to take the bet, that I can pick a dog from a litter of dogs purpose bred that will instinctively out perform any dog of another breed that you choose to train to that same task. You know dogs are bred for a reason, they are not the result of arbitrary name identity or random mating. They never will even know to mate to others of the same breed to keep their own blood line going. They are so foreign to nature as far as their own species that they are identified by and as different by breed for this vary reason. You talk about dogs as if there are 300 different breeds of dogs in the wild and we throw nets over wild beagles and tame them. Without breeding their is no beagle or Pit bulls.

      • Marisa Nordstrom

        You wouldn’t have 25 years of self-promotion to put up against anything if you didn’t derive a huge portion of your so-called career from the pit type dog industry. So, you bet you’ll put it up, because that’s all you got to put up. You’re a pit propagandist if there ever was one, and you got no so-called dog training operation if you don’t bully for pit bulls with the best of these pit pushers.

      • Joanna McGinn

        gotcha beat by 25 years….. and PBs ARE a major public health issue and after teaching and working with teen sociopaths and psychopaths, they are the DOG OF CHOICE… almost none ever choose any other kind of dog and yes, they do breed them and interbreed with more and more aggressive and bigger dogs. AS a quick test, I’d have students draw ‘a dog’ and it was 100% the Pit Bull replete with cropped ears and blood on the muzzle.

        • Randy Bosley

          McHeinous hoping a child is harmed.

          • Joanna McGinn

            boy you do NOT understand language… we just know that these dogs WILL eventually rip off a face. This is pure sarcasm you twit… you really truly have an IQ of about 60…. IF you read on… it’s hope that they have insurance for what is inevitable instead of just inflicting these dogs and their carange and mayhem on innocent people and then running … which IS the normal behavior of Pit nutters like you.

          • Randy Bosley

            Problem is, McHeinous that there are many screenshots of these same type of comments said by you. The one where you wished harm on an innocent disabled child was so bad, an admin of the group removed it. So, you trying to sluff it off as sarcasm is a lie.

          • Lisa Camuso

            what’s the matter, Joanna….don’t like when your own words come back to haunt you????

          • Mary Olson

            McGinn you are nothing but a pseudo intellect… constantly talking about IQ’s with people who don’t agree with you and the fact that you resort to name calling..doesn’t say a lot about your IQ now does it…

        • Lisa Camuso

          Joanne…are those your failed plastic surgery scars?

        • Lisa Camuso

          Joanna, you’re nuts…..dear God..

      • Julia Lewis

        You don’t need a propaganda machine to inform people about the dangers of pit bulls, the information is all around you – tv reports, newspaper stories, accounts of fatalities or maulings told by relatives, friends or neighbours.

    • Mary Ann Redfern

      Exactly what I thought when I saw his name in the editorial.

    • Jeff Birdcart

      fixated on bob are we?? lol!! he’s only doing what your doing but for the other side you people keep blaming us because you make yourselves look like fanatics and outright morons to boot??

    • Jeff Bogkart

      and the whole time you’ve been on every one of those articles spreading your lies and propaganda as supplied by merritless and boofhead and co,, Susan I think the public see you for exactly what you are?? part of an inept narrow minded bunch of psychologically unstable nutter giving little thought for victims whilst pursuing the death of all pitbulls, stop wasting ours and your time pls for the love of god!

    • Lisa Camuso

      Hey Susan…I can help educate you in canine behavior, training and bully breeds…how about it? Come on flying monkey….put your brain to the test…let’s see if you can put me in my place…?? I would be happy to debate you and ANY of your cult members…

      • jim

        Another self proclaimed expert, baw hahahahahaha. You should stick with goldfish as your topic of expertise, hahaha

        • Lisa Camuso

          Awwww, Jim… instead of “Save the Children”, they should have, “Save the husbands”….you are posting as a textbook abused husband. BTW, you can always buy her a one way ticket to Sea World.

          • jim

            Really? That’s the best your special ed self could come up with? Baw hahahahahaha. Insulting others further proves you’re an idiot and don’t have an argument, hahaha. Good day or as you say in your language, ruff ruff.

          • Lisa Camuso

            Is your wife posting here and I can’t see it ? LOL Yeah, you have a good day, gimp. Do as she says or it gets the hose again. LOLOL

          • jim

            Is that it beluga? ? Pathetic. You’re definitely a person the world wouldn’t miss, Bawhahahaha

          • Lisa Camuso

            I sincerely hope you find help, battered husband. I understand your habits….and may God have mercy and grant you the top bunk.

          • jim

            You’re still here? And more stupid comments, Bawhahahaha. I was hoping you would have hung your ugly self byet now, Bawhahahaha

          • Mary Olson

            another “stock” reply by your typical DBO member…resort to name calling..don’t wonder why you can’t be taken seriously..

          • jim

            Blah blah blah blah, yawn.

  • Dog lover

    My Gosh he is so right!

    • RealityFun

      This shows what kind of evil people always post on pit bull articles. At least this time it isn’t a picture of a child that was posted without the parents permission, with the parents protesting the use of the image. How many times has that happened? I’ve seen it more than once. The fact that the Sentinel allows this type of post, along with other, worse posts on other articles about pit bulls that include vile name calling and personal threats just shows they are the equivalent of the National Enquirer, which makes them no better than these posters. They enjoy this type of stuff. How sick is that?

      • AJ

        Translation: Darn! I didn’t want the public to SEE what pit bulls do!

        • RealityFun

          Translation: Working with animal shelters, one sees lots of bite victim pictures, but decent people would never post them pubically without express written permission from the victims, regardless of the breed that did it. To say only pits do that is going to be your biggest downfall because even sane people that are scared of pits know that’s not true. Yup, that sums it up too. I’m signing off now because I know the next step for you rapid people is to start name calling and issuing personal threats and I’m not interested.

        • lynnf1954

          Translation, who was authorized to post this, to even take the picture? It is obviously in a hospital, so someone is violating HIPAA law. On a lesser offense, this is classic fear mongering with no documentation.

      • HarveMorgan

        People need to see what pits do. You can show them a band aid and talk about bites while pits are doing such things as that picture shows and worse.

        • Simple exploitation of victims for your cause.

          • But posting pics of babies with pit bulls is not exploitation for your cause?

          • RealityFun

            Here’s the difference: those parents behind the sparkly tutus and floral crowns gave their consent for the pictures to be posted in those instances. Do you not hold consent scared?

          • Where are the signed consent forms?

          • RealityFun

            So, are you saying that the Huffington Post posted someone’s photo without a parents permission and you are calling them out, or are you saying some anonymous internet commenter submitted the photo and you are calling that anonymous internet commenter out for doing it, which is exactly what I’m doing here, calling this anonymous internet commenter out? And if you’re calling that anonymous internet commenter out, by all means, do exactly what I’m doing and find that photo and call them out, where it’s relevant. Since I am not the one that did it, it’s not relevant to my argument. If you want to play tit for tat between two internet groups, there’s all kinds of vile stuff posted by other dbo people that I could attribute to you, but I’m semi intelligent, so I’m not doing that. I’m calling this commenter out and I you know it’s not the same thing as Coloradog’s pictures they used because they got permission. So, relevance? Why are you deflecting?

          • How can a semi-intelligent person using a nom de plume {you} call out an anonymous internet commenter with any degree of authority? See the hypocrisy?

            The photo was already identified and Huff Po was “called out” but they lacked the courage to admit their huge gaff – they nicked a picture of a child and pit bull from the internet – used a dead child for their own promotional purposes and lacked the fortitude to admit to it when caught.

          • RealityFun

            Since the Sentinel is deleting my reply for no reason, here you go. http://postimg.org/image/4f2bbzsv9/

          • I see why your post was flagged. Probably because of the “D” word. First of all, that mauling pic is available on at least 100 other sites (I checked). What does PeTA have to do with any of this?

            And secondly, you should endeavour to at least break that mess up into coherent thoughts and paragraphs. Your rambling incoherent style reminds me of a documentary I saw on ADHD.

          • RealityFun

            Since I had to take a screen shot, I couldn’t break it down into paragraphs or it wouldn’t fit as a screenshot. Simple explanation. So sorry to upset your sensibilities but nice way to deflect AGAIN.

            The PETA connection to the dogsbite/machine revealed commenters is glaringly obvious. But I can spell it out. PETA uses disturbing images and shock value to get people to pay attention, whether they have permission to post those images or not, just like the dogsbite commenters. It’s directly where they (you all) learned the tactic from. It’s a disgusting tactic, meant to do nothing except gross people out and offend. I do not believe for one second that any good intentions are behind posting an image such as that. If some unknown person had posted my Dad’s pic on the internet showing him in a coma, I would be greatly disturbed and traumatized, but you guys aren’t thinking about the victim and the victim’s family. I don’t see any proof that any of you care.

            It’s sad that anyone would try to twist it into a statement such as ‘you’re only offended because you don’t want to see what damage your dog can do’. The reality is that most people are offended by it because they have nothing to gain from seeing someone else suffer. It’s actually scary that someone can be so obsessed and hateful that they can’t comprehend that. That’s not normal.

          • The mauling pic has nothing to do with PeTA despite your attempt to frame it as being similar. The real problem is that people don`t want to confront the capabilities of some of these breeds and will go to any and all lengths to obfuscate.

          • RealityFun

            Oh, I must’ve hit a nerve with the Sentinel

          • lynnf1954

            Do you observe HIPAA regulations in Canada, Heather? Do you understand the difference between the blatant publication of photos of patients in the hospital on a blog, and one photo mistakenly (or not) put up in the HuffPo? Do you not find that to be a ludicrous parallel? These photos violate the privacy of the victims, and they exploit them to gain donations.

          • HIPAA in Canada? Why would any American privacy regulations be applicable in Canada? What are we, the 51st state? You better get on the case then Detective Lynn…..It’s an outrage……

          • Mary Ann Redfern

            At least you are truthful! Semi intelligent sounds about right.

          • Hmmm…did we post pictures of dogs in tutus?

          • Retiree

            Facts are not exploitation. They are facts.

          • Our point illustrated. You have no facts. You have victims to exploit. Simply look at how some of your “advocates” are so flippant that they do not take the subject matter seriously. You exploit victims and eat those alive who do not step up to the DBO agenda. It is predatory.

          • Mary Ann Redfern

            You make money off of dogs that maim and kill. Why would I care what you think?????

          • Jim Murray Mahutga

            No, the the simple truth.

          • Mary Ann Redfern

            This is America. Majority rules. Don’t like this article or the posts? LEAVE.

          • Oh Mary Ann. This is not elementary school and you seem to have also not had a lesson in basic US gov’t.
            This is our state. How about you go troll on your own local pages? Honestly, you are not helping your cause at all.

        • Mary Ann Redfern

          Actually, that picture is mild compared to some. Point is, this is the type of injuries pit bulls inflict on an everyday basis to people, pets and livestock animals. Don’t want to see what your pibbles are doing every day? Leave.

          • Leave? Is that really how you provide solutions for issue Mary?

    • Zbyszek Grabiński

      Huski attack…………………………………………………………………….

      http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/boy-10-receives-50-stitches-in-his-face-after-dog-attack-1.1918037

    • Retiree

      Certainly puts a face on the issue.

  • Dog lover

    Spot on Dave Perry!

  • Chef David Edelstein

    PERRY: No surprise this hack of editor with two-bit rag of a newspaper cant acknowledge that the election was rigged from the get-go (just like the ballot measure in Miami, FL 2012).

    We genuine put bull enthusiasts dont need to resort to threats or terrorism when EVERY CREDIBLE ANIMAL WELFARE PROFESSIONAL AND ORGANIZATION GLOBALLY denounce breed discrimination, denounces the the propaganda and misinformation of Pit Bull haters, and stand united in their stance on PRO-breed neutral dangerous dog laws.

    Lets face it Mr Steve Perry, you are just one of Molly Markert’s and Kory Nelson’s b*tches doing their dirty work for them.

    F- in journalism.

    • Suzanne567

      Whoa Nellie, SORE LOSER ALERT!! Wowser dowser. Easy there killer…

    • Jan Smith

      What a wonderful display of pit bull advocacy. People won’t have to look far to find examples of the behavior mentioned in this article.

    • Retiree

      Said in good pit bull fashion.

    • Jim Murray Mahutga

      Waaa ,waaaa, waaaaa

      • pitty bull

        Says the idiot who owns A Rottweiler , you are a special kind of simple . Didn’t a Rotti kill a child a few weeks ago ?

        • jim

          Shouldn’t make assumptions that I own a rottweiler, lol. You are a special kind of stupid I see. But since you’re on the subject, yes, we had a death by a rottweiler recently. 3 so far this year and 24 by pitbulls. I would find another breed to advocate for, hahahahahaha

          • pitty bull

            Since the ratio of pit bulls to the rotti is about 50 to 1 , even an Einstein like you can figure it out Rotti boy .

          • jim

            Always changing the numbers I see to suit your needs, lol. You can play that game, but it doesn’t justify the number of deaths caused by pitbulls.

          • 1tonysolesky1

            Because no death by canine is justifiable, I have always wondered how anyone saw the shortcomings of Pit bulls as defensible because some other breeds kills also.

          • jim

            Yes, but the number of deaths caused by pitbulls is ridiculous.

    • 1tonysolesky1

      Chef David Edelstien, I can’t wait till you bring one of your finely trained Pit Bulls to the Field Trails and show us what great bird hunters they are. When that is over we can take your highly trained fighting Poodle to the dog fight. There is a reason that service dogs for the blind are limited to about 4 breeds and why the Police in the USA only use certain breeds. I guess they are unaware of your training abilities. You could be saving a whole lot of public and private agencies and Taxpayers money if you would share your secrets with these groups.

  • Suzanne567

    You can’t be smart, “err” on the side of public safety, be well written and correct and not expect a good ole ad hominem attack from the Pit Bull Mafiosos. When you have no real argument in the face of dead and injured people and pets, you have to just attack the messenger. Consider it an honor. Great article!! Thank you!!

  • Juliet Piccone

    So here’s a question: if the election was meant to address issues once and for all, why is the Sentinel lamenting Aurora’s NO vote on Issue 2B, the roads measure (http://www.aurorasentinel.com/opinion/editorial-aurora-cant-take-road-time-better-transportation-plan/)? And what about the fact that Aurorans also overwhelmingly defeated Issue 2C, a PUBLIC SAFETY MEASURE to fund the fire and police department? Does that mean Aurorans don’t value their roads/first responders? Or does it mean people in general vote NO on any and all ballot measures (unless of course they have something to do with marijuana).
    If you want to know the facts, go to http://www.regbnb.org. We will be updating our website in the coming weeks to outline our plan for passing statewide legislation that will protect public safety and property rights. Juliet Piccone, Esq. President of Coloradans for Breed Neutral Dog Laws, Inc.

    • 1tonysolesky1

      Juliet Piccone, I have to agree that people get their way on one thing and they think that makes it right and if they don;t get their way, to them that makes the outcome wrong. I will say to you that Breed Neutral is a silly concept, because the sentence it is a oxymoron. The term breed, is used to define a dog that is so completely different from others of the same species that it has a separate classification as a breed within that species. You are literally making a general statement in context of a specific issue, it is absurd. If you want breed neutral, than you should push for not allowing people to choose the mating partner for their dogs. There is no way for dogs to naturally perpetuate as a breed. Because breeding and the ensuing outcome of breeding are not only, not neutral, they are a profile that is being sought after. You either support the breed neutral laws because you do not understand the type of and unique autonomous property issues dogs represent, or you are simply working a angle to get your way in context of the other laws you site, In fact there is not context for doing so.

  • Karen Batchelor

    This is just bare-faced propaganda that fails to address the facts and deliberately misleads the public.

    Pit Bulls are not relatively rare at all, they are a very popular and populous breed as reported by VetStreet – the professional interface between veterinarains and their clients – who collect and collate their figures directly via vets in practice.

    Unlike kennel clubs and council records, the numbers they quote are more reliably representative of local dog breed populations since not all dogs are registered with a kennel club or council whilst most dogs will see a vet regularly.

    According to VetStreet, Pit Bulls are the top most popular breed in Rhode Island, the top 3 most popular in 28 states, the top 5 in 33 and the top 10 in 46.

    Perhaps this editor, in his anti-Pit Bull fervour, could explain how it is that in more than thirty years of Pit Bulls being brought into and bred into New Zealand in numbers exceeding 30,000, we have yet to see a single death involving the breed and it’s countless mixes.

    You have some 80m dogs in the US and around 30 fatalities on average per year.

    Of those dogs accused of being Pit Bulls, as per the research from the National Canine Research Council, many were proven not to be Pit Bulls, hence the CDC’s decision to reject media guestimates on breed and to heed the advice from the AVMA that breed is in fact irrelevant.

    A little research would have saved this editor from destroying his own credibility, or exposing himself as the sort of rabid looney that takes the hype seriously despite the science.

    • Suzanne567

      One of the weekend’s maulings, there are quite a few, this is one. Nice that the owner goes on a cruise while the victims are basically reeling in their own childrens’ blood and burying their beloved pet after pit bulls killed him and mauled the family in their own yard. While this owner’s dogs were shot off their victims and had to be hunted down and shot some more. Nice. Keep pushing, Karen. Good call… ??? #wontbackdown

      http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/27407975/pitbull-attack-injures-fountain-inn-girl-kills-family-dog#ixzz3JMsku7Qd

      • lynnf1954

        There are over 5 million pitbulls and their mixes in the US currently, according to Merritt Clifton’s estimate of 6% of the dog population. As of the last census that asked families if they were dog owners, there are 77,500,000 dogs claimed by families. How many have you read of in the news this year? Any death or mauling is a tragedy, regardless of the circumstances and my heart breaks for anyone who loses a loved one to violence. But it should be obvious that most of these dogs, if they have not made the news, are members of millions of families who are responsible. I have rescued and adopted pits and mixes for over 30 years, raised them with my children, foster children and now grandchildren and have never had bloodshed. We have always had multiple dogs, as well as rescued cats, and they have all done well living together in the house. I currently have 3, and they happily herd the animals and grandchildren that free range on my little farm. I trust my dogs with my grandchildren much more than I rust most people.
        Please don’t tar us all with the same brush, as most of us are quite civilized and have no interest in promoting your stereotype by threatening and cursing. If the editor has only been offended by 9 out of how many owners(?) I would think they were the aberration, not the norm. I am sorry for their behavior, but most of us do not mirror that or condone it. We prefer education and training our dogs to be positive representatives of this type of dog.

        • Suzanne567

          That’s nice. I get it, you’d rather talk about happy stories than those children who were just mauled and forced to watch their lovely lab mix ripped to shreds in their own yard. Rather than change the subject, let’s keep talking about what pit bulls do. Like bust into people’s yards and hurt them while killing their pets. Too often, killing the people as well. I know, since you didn’t want to talk about that horrified, innocent, non-pit owning family with injuries and a dead dog, let’s talk about this one… These poor folks watched the neighbors pits rip their beloved beagle to shreds in their own yard and now the pit owner is suing them for 1 million dollars because she was mauled by her own dogs trying to collect them from her neighbors yard while they were killing their beagle. Let’s discuss:

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/16/woman-sues-pit-bulls_n_6166748.html

          • Suzanne567

            Of course, if you don’t care to discuss that one either, we could talk about the little Pomeranian that was killed, his playmate injured, when a pit busted into the yard they were playing in? I’m game, dead lab x, dead beagle, dead pommy? Which one’s better to discuss, they’re all within the last few days… ??

            http://www.rochellenews-leader.com/v2_news_articles.php?page=72&story_id=12613

          • Suzanne567

            Not happy with a dead pom? How about a dead PIT BULL?? This 10 year old got the not so rare opportunity to stab their family’s dog off her seriously injured brother. Then I believe the Dad hunted the dog down and shot it dead. Does a dead pit bull reach you???? #wontbackdown

            http://www.kcci.com/news/as-pit-bull-attacks-boy-sister-grabs-butcher-knife/29716324#ixzz3J9YWM6vt

          • lynnf1954

            All of those are very unfortunate, but I am not going to be put on the defensive for raising my dogs, and children, correctly. NONE of my dogs have killed anything, nor have most of the pits in this country. Those you speak of are an aberration, not the norm. I have lost pets, and children, so pitbull victims do NOT have a corner on suffering. And where is your concern for the dogbite victims that are killed by breeds other than pitbulls? Are they less dead? Did they suffer less?
            Don’t call my dogs vicious, because you sound considerably more so. Your agenda is not about protection, or you would want to protect all victims. You can’t predict the behavior of a person based on his appearance, so how could you predict the behavior of a dog based on his appearance? Both mammals, both bound to the same genetic science.

          • No. People were not bred with a view to isolating certain behaviours. Dogs were selectively bred for different purposes that were useful to mankind and their behaviours and physical characteristics were not randomized across populations as they are with humans. No such breeding programs were ever applicable to humans. Obviously.

          • Suzanne567

            They just can’t get that by restricting just a couple of breeds, we could eliminate ALL the egregious carnage and go back to regular ole run of the mill dog bites. The just can’t get it… No matter how you try.

          • Mary Ann Redfern

            The do not WANT to get it.

          • Suzanne567

            I fear the truth is simply too difficult to bear for too many people.

          • lynnf1954

            Is English your primary language Heather? You seem to have a problem with comprehension. I did not say humans and dogs are the same, I said mammalian genetics all follow the same laws of science. Therefore, if you cannot project the behavior of a human based on his appearance, you cannot project the behavior of a dog based on its appearance. Don’t be so obtuse.

          • Virtually nothing you post is accurate, and this is no exception. The field of behavioural genetics, which studies the spectra of normal and deviant behaviour, is entirely devoted to the very genetic and behavioural observations you claim don’t exist.

            Behaviour in any animal is expressed by both environment and genetics (inherited) and these both contribute to the phenotype. Therefore, behaviour of a dog is shaped both by environment, domestication, and evolutionary processes – inherited from its parents. Traits such as emotionality, activity level, sociability, and AGGRESSION. Genetic expression manifests itself in behaviour.

            Behaviour is partially a result of selective breeding. And we know of course, that pit bulls were selectively bred for holding animals for slaughter and therefore refined into fighting dogs. Too many dog breeds originate from only a handful of individuals, making these traits more obvious since they are not widely spread over many individual animals. Unlike humans, many breeds of dogs have negative inbred traits that can be observed within the breed.

            Google Belyaev’s foxes.

            The selection for tameness changed brain gene expression in foxes. Just as the selection for gameness changed pit
            bulls into what they are today.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Your comment, “So, not only are all dogs exactly the same, but now dogs are the same as humans? By virtue of the fact that we/they are both mammals?”

            I can’t wait for my dogs to start paying my mortgage and taxes!

    • Mirl

      That’s surprising (30,000 pit bulls brought into NZ). Do they not have BSL since 2003, which prevents the following from being imported alive or as semen, ova, or embryos:

      American Pit Bull Terrier, Dogo Argentino, Brazilian Fila, or Japanese Tosa Inu

      There have certainly been maulings in NZ, which I found within less than 5 minutes of searching.

      • Mary Ann Redfern

        I noticed her idiot post also, but just did not have the energy to grapple with her. Thanks for pointing this out.

        • Mirl

          If that’s the case, then perhaps they are being imported illegally? If so, I would not be at all surprised.

          • Marc Brown

            Karen Batchelor has been blacklisted even by the NZ APBT club for lying, fraud and other deceitful practices. I don’t understand why she still thinks she has any credibility anywhere.

            “Please note our Blacklist – do not purchase or deal with these people in any way, if you are found dealing with
            these people you will be removed as a member and your dogs de-registered
            Paul Moore
            Justine Andrew’s – Selling puppies multiple times to many families.
            Geoffrey Williams – Fruad theft and crulty to animals, all dogs he “owns” have been gained illegally and
            are being investigated.
            American Pitbull Association’s Karen – NZKC Amstaff attempted fraud over Pit Bull Puppies; Karen – slander and
            involvment with Geoff Williams

            http://nzpbtc.webs.com/

      • Karen Batchelor

        Import/export is banned, that is true.

        Which cases of maulings have you found that were proven to be APBTs?

        Please name your sources.

  • Actually Perry, the only words we can rely use to describe you are sad, uninformed, lacking ethical journalism and pleading for internet hits. There is nothing in your editorial that is any different then the multitude of hysteria based websites out there. In fact, it’s fairly verbatim. It makes us wonder, do you too believe in banning owners also like Molly Markert? Have you bothered to look at your “side” and their behavior? The only thing we do know is that outside your very small world, you are the laughing stock of the journalistic one. We don’t believe you are any of the things you’ve posted that you were called. You are just a simple ass, and truly an embarrassment to journalism no matter which side you would choose to be on.

    • ..and it was 64.4 to 35.5, not 75%. Once again, we’re shaking our head at our journalistic integrity.

      • HarveMorgan

        Oh wow, now they are the internet mathematicians. No matter how you add it up, it adds up to the overwhelming majority of people don’t want the breed in their community. This isn’t the first vote, this is the second vote, don’t forget the same happened in Miami.

    • HarveMorgan

      Sore losers is all you are. You came after a man whose son was killed horribly, you victimized him all over again. You called your troops out to go after an event Home for the Holidays which does get homes for pit bulls. You shot yourself in the foot doing that. The embarrassment should be on your head for what you have done.

      • Pat- We never went after Jeff and you know that is not true no matter how many times you speak the lie. We did address Blue Buffalo’s hypocritical advertising and we are proud of calling them out along with having advertising dollars removed from Merritt. We have no embarrassment behind working towards safe communities nor for telling the truth. No matter the name calling, the harassing phone calls, the stolen pictures, the homophobic remarks, the death threats or the lies. We and other advocates are gonna keep on dancing. 3 cities last week removed BSL that was decades old Pat. The times are a changin’

        • HarveMorgan

          See? There you go again. You are bringing up someone’s name who isn’t even in this fight. What you did was go after a business trying to shut it down over your lost in Aurora, retaliation is what it’s called. There’s no morality to what you are doing. Put yourself in the place of someone who has seen their child ripped to shreds, tell me you would then still be in love with the breed that did it, especially if you know that other parents, many other parents, are going through the same as you are from the same breed. Disgusting behavior from you and the pit community as a whole. Believe me, it ain’t powerful enough to overcome those pictures of those babies in shreds when they are marching the halls of the legislature. Yes times are a changin’. You have no idea how much either.

          • Wrong yet again Pat. They only people exploiting the deaths of children are not standing next to us. That would be fodder for you and your cohorts. We are perfectly aware of what is evolving as we don’t spend all our days behind a screen, and instead go out to the communities to do work. We’d suggest some real public service and outreach Pat. It’s good for the soul.

          • Sandy Chlubna

            Keep up the good fight! ColoRADogs! Support from WI

          • Thanks Sandy!

          • Mary Ann Redfern

            You are completely clueless. And pit bull fanatics are helping our cause by showing themselves to be as vicious as their “dogs”.

          • Yes Mary Ann. Your behavior is a clear indication of you appropriate and non-insulting communication.

          • lynnf1954

            Well you keep up the good work, Mary Ann. Right now you’re making us look pretty good, lol!

        • Jim Murray Mahutga

          Sucks to loose, don’t it.lol

          • Love watching 5 different cities remove BSL in the last seven days. It’s not about win or lose Jim, and that is the kind of comments that belies the real agenda which is not victim advocacy with you and your buddies. I’m sorry you and you friends feel this is some kind of game to be laughed about.

          • Mary Ann Redfern

            Victim advocacy is NOT a game and how dare you. Playing kickball with a dead pit bull victim’s head is a statement you can tolerate apparently. THAT’S NOT A GAME EITHER, CaliforniaDogs.

          • Mary Ann. You might want to sit down and take a breath. You seem to be losing it. You either did not read what we posted above or refuse to acknowledge it. Your feigned outrage about victim advocacy is duly noted but transparent just the same. You exploit victims of attacks and fatalities and if they do not tow the DBO line, they are attacked relentlessly during a time they need peace to grieve (the most current being the young child in WI killed by a rottie). This has nothing to truly do with victims. This has to do with agenda and ego. Your cohorts post pictures of children who have been killed without permission of the parents so that those parents are re-traumatized again never knowing when an unauthorized photo of their deceased children might pop up. You are not victims advocates. You advocate for the death of dogs who look a certain way despite evidence it does not make communities safer. That is not victim advocacy, not by a long stretch. That is textbook exploitation and predatory behavior. Even your “leader” Colleen runs for the hills every time we ask her to have a public discussion. You have no courage of conviction except to hide behind FB all day long looking for pseudo proof to help foster this obsessive drive. Not victim advocacy Mary. Not at all.

          • Mary Ann. It is not a game and victims should not be exploited but your cohorts and you sure do seem to be good at it.

        • Mary Ann Redfern

          Never mind one of YOURS that said, ‘we should play kickball with Jeff’s son’s head, lol. He won’t need it anyway since he is dead.’ THAT is what this article is about you know. It’s not about your ugly, vicious maulers…it’s about their owners.

          • One of “ours” did not say that Mary Ann. We are painfully aware you only see what you want but we never condone that behavior from either side (and both sides have a ton of it). We’re also going to say that we looked and reached out among all the advocacy groups we know and no one knows that person nor are they on any of the pages. It was a brand new FB account leading us to wonder who actually posted it. This article is because Perry is a lackluster journalist with amateur abilities looking to stir people up to get internet hits and prove to himself he has some value in the journalistic world. He knows people find him laughable.

          • 1tonysolesky1

            ColoRADogs , You follow this issue and it is absolutely one of yours that said it. It is one of yours because you are aware, as are the many humane groups and you have never ever put out a public disclaimer that those views are not supported by these and other animal welfare and rescue organizations. It is not a matter of whether you can control it, you just don;t want to lose their support so you just take their donations and say nothing. All of the big organizations turn a blind eye or as they call it do not take a corporate stance. It is no different than how the NFL stayed quiet on domestic violence until doing so started to cost them.

          • No Tony it’s not, no matter how much you’d like to delude yourself into thinking it. But we know skewing reality is an unfortunate issue for you and your cohorts.

        • 1tonysolesky1

          See the difference is Jeff does not make any money doing this. It cost him money to do it.

    • Jim Murray Mahutga

      Colorahogs, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

      • Jim- Are you twelve or do victims of dog attacks really seem that unimportant to you that mocking is your response?

        • Mary Ann Redfern

          Said mock lady.

    • Mary Ann Redfern

      Why are you even here then? Go on back to “Puff Ho”. They will agree with anything you say CalirforniaDogs.

      • We are here because unlike you Mary, we are Coloradans. We live in this state and we’re invested in our community. So why are you here then and what’s with the name thing? It’s just so very, very odd.

    • 1tonysolesky1

      ColoRADogs, You do not know the issue. If you did you would not have to defend these dogs just like about 70 million other people that own properly and appropriately bred companion dogs. Pit Bulls are dangerous and should be banned if for no other reason their own good. Just stop breeding them. Dog breeds are not an act of nature worth saving like a Eagle or a whale. This is a ridiculous man made problem built on dogs as a commodity and primarily white female consumers.

      • We do know the issue Tony. Much better than you. Please don’t act like you care about a breed when you work to kill family pets. It’s disingenuous and insulting. No other breed of dog has been subjected to the abuse that “pit bull” dogs have been either. That would include young boys throwing rocks at them. Where do you get you “facts.” Let me guess, Merritt?

        • Travelmate

          You’re continuing to spread a blatant lie about rock throwing? tsk. tsk. tsk.

        • 1tonysolesky1

          Actually anyone can google my name. There is a Baltimore County Police report. a criminal case against the dog owner in the circuit court. A civil case in the circuit court, a special court of appeals case, a court of appeals case, a motion to reconsider, a task force, a special session and two general sessions documenting our every move. There is no information or any evidence ever posed or otherwise introduced that the children did anything. Where do you get your figures when mine can be googled and substantiated in the public record. Also I am for banning and euthanizing of pit bulls in shelters. Pit bulls are not bred to be pets, they are fighting dogs. Dog fighting is illegal. Just like the paraphernalia of illegal drugs so should pit bulls be illegal as the paraphernalia of illegal dog fighting. If you really loved Pit bulls you would be for banning them, for the very reasons you just said.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Pit bulls are the go to breed for sociopaths.

            Journal of Interpersonal Violence

            Volume 21 Number 12 December 2006

            Ownership of High-Risk (“Vicious”) Dogs as a Marker for Deviant Behaviors

            Implications for Risk Assessment

            “The analysis revealed that owners of HR (high risk) dogs had significantly more criminal convictions and traffic citations in all categories except crimes involving children.”

            “Professionals such as child and adult protection investigators, law enforcement officers, pediatricians and medical practitioners, home visiting professionals, domestic violence investigators, and public health nurses may find it useful to be informed about the breed and specific behaviors of the dogs that share the environment with their clients. First, be aware that the dog breed, ESPECIALLY OWNING A PIT BULL, MAY BE A RISK MARKER.”

          • We know who you are Tony. You won a court case that was later kicked to the curb by your state gov’t. The idea that loving a breed of dog equates into banning them is almost breathtaking in its ignorance.

          • 1tonysolesky1

            ColoRADogs, I know you know who I am because the case was not just a local court case. I am in Maryland, I know you know. In short due to the repeated offenses by Pit Bulls (the same breed that causes bans in debates everywhere) the Maryland court of appeals modified the common law from the bench. That decision and modification had an effect on court cases in all 50 states. Upon which Maryland legislature as will all future legislatures when a similar case gets to their court modified the common law doge bite standard. That is to say because of the actions of Pit bulls Maryland came to grips with it woefully poor common law. The court did not have a all breed case in front of it and could not make it all dogs. The legislature dropped the limits to pit bulls and expanded the law to all dogs. The new standard just as it would with any circumstance where people are held accountable has made dangerous dogs less appealing to own and leases Modified state wide to support that. It is better than a BAN

    • Susan DeVilder

      So much sour grapes and butt hurt here. You tried to force your dog breed type on this community and you failed. Get over it. Aurora doesn’t want pit bulls. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

  • Animals24-7

    Of the 5,126 dogs involved in fatal and disfiguring attacks on humans occurring in the U.S. & Canada since September 1982, when I began logging the data, 3,556 (68%) were pit bulls; 559 were Rottweilers; 4,394 (85%) were of related molosser breeds, including pit bulls, Rottweilers, mastiffs, bull mastiffs, boxers, and their mixes. Of the 572 human fatalities, 305 were killed by pit bulls; 88 were killed by Rottweilers; 437 (75%) were killed by molosser breeds. Of the 3,227 people who were disfigured, 2,206 (68%) were disfigured by pit bulls; 329 were disfigured by Rottweilers; 2,687 (84%) were disfigured by molosser breeds. Pit bulls–exclusive of their use in dogfighting–also inflict more than 70 times as many fatal and disfiguring injuries on other pets and livestock as on humans, a pattern unique to the pit bull class. Surveys of dogs offered for sale or adoption indicate that pit bulls and pit mixes are together less than 7% of the U.S. dog population; molosser breeds, all combined, are 9%.

    • Average Citizen

      I see more pit bulls for adoption or sale than any other breed. What info did you use to do your research? Registration records? Do you think backyard breeders register their puppies? What about accidental litters? We’re all of those dogs involved in bites, fatal and not, given tests to determine their breed? I seriously doubt they were. So, by simply looking at the dog you can tell what breed they are without any doubts? My dog was but into the pit bull category. Guess what! I found his original owner’s and he is a boxer/gsd. Unfortunately the research cannot be trusted because you can’t call a dog a pit bull just because you think it is. Plus, pit bull is a generalized breed category made up of many sub breeds. But, either way, a dog bite is the owners fault…period. Any dog can bite, regardless of breed, and they do. How many chihuahuas have bitten? Those are rarely reported because it is excepted from smaller breeds and they can be less severe. I also love how the “journalist”, I use that word loosely after reading many other articles on different subjects, mentions pictures of babies with pit bulls. How many people have pictures of babies with their retrievers, gsd, or any other type! California has banned breed specific legislation in the 80’s. Why? Because it is not effective and a huge waste of tax payers dollars.

      • separationcs

        Bite vs. mauls. Know words….

      • HarveMorgan

        I think a question to you is, how many people have chihuahuas killed? Go on, tell me how many? You talk bites, we talk closed casket funerals, get on the same page.

      • Jan Smith

        If you actually read his articles on these subjects it explains exactly how he calculates his data. Try doing the research on your own instead of just listening to anything you read on a blog written by a pit bull lover with an obviously biased agenda.

    • RealityFun

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-anthony-cooper/merritt-clifton-pit-bulls_b_5866176.html

      “Clifton was fired from Animal’s Agenda, where his wife was an editor. The board felt that it “had become too much the vehicle for one couple’s opinions” He then founded the tabloid Animal People. Recently he parted ways with that organization as well; the “editorial and managing group” now consists of three people, two of whom are his ex-wife and son. (Venerability is a family affair.) Animals 24-7 is his blog.”

      • HarveMorgan

        So what? You can’t dispute the stats, so you stone the messenger? You prove those stats wrong. Not to mention that the person you are quoting is totally lacking in any credibility, that is why he is living in Mexico breeding ‘rare’ dogs.

        • lynnf1954

          First, these are not stats, and the person you are defending has no credentials. He is not an authority in dog behavior and has not published any peer reviewed material in the field. His material has not been reviewed by other authorities because there is a dispute in his methods of information gathering. I understand that he uses similar sources that the CDC used in their dogbite report published in 1999, which they have since discredited themselves. One factor they could not trust was the correct identification of the breed of dog, as the press, victims and rescue or hospital personnel were not equipped with the knowledge to positively ID the breed. Another factor was that, without knowledge of the breed (or type) population, the statistics could be skewed. In that report, the circumstances of the bites were not researched, whether the dogs were neutered, whether the dogs were resident or family dogs, etc.

          • HarveMorgan

            Listening to the Josh Liddy BS again I see. You need to watch the video yourself. And you need to learn about the CDC report. Have you even been to the DBO site, doesn’t sound like it or you would know that photos of these dogs are there. Maybe you can’t identify a pit but the rest of us can. Now, I’ll make it easy for you. Here’s the link about the authors of the CDC report, how they were biased before they wrote the report. So they had to discredit their own work to further their biased agenda. Strange how the CDC report is always used as a source for the pit defenders, yet they discredit anyone else that uses the same sources as the CDC. http://blog.dogsbite.org/2008/12/who-wrote-cdc-fatal-dog-attack-report.html

          • lynnf1954

            I have looked at DBO many times and am sickened by the misinformation and stereotypes promoted there. I use credible sources from peer reviewed publications. If I wanted to listen to a failed phone psychic I would call one. I have no need to read about the opinions of those who have no authority on the subject. Oh, as for the CDC report? DBO always fails to print the conclusion, that there is not enough information to call it a breed specific problem, and that BSL is NOT the answer. You should do your own research. Don’t rely on them because they cherrypick from whatever studies they use.

          • If you’re quoting NCRC you’re not using credible sources. Karen Delise is not qualified as a researcher or animal behaviourist – she’s a vet tech. Ditto for the NCRC co-hort Clancy, who is named as a researcher in the AVMA study when he is nothing of the sort.

          • RealityFun

            And yet, so many organizations use NCRC models to build community programs around. Go figure.

          • Because they don’t know any better.

          • RealityFun

            A lot of the communities are communities that tried BSL and saw it fail in their own communities, so they moved on to a more proactive, far reaching approach that encompasses everything related to dogs in the community, rather than to keep relying on a band-aid that’s done nothing to lower dog bites.

          • Travelmate

            Wrong. It is because promoters can get some pit bull people together the whine that they want pit bulls. maulings be damned.

          • RealityFun

            I’d like to know where you get your psychic powers? Do you live in my town? Were you at any town meetings regarding animal control methods and public safety? Were you on the dog ordinance committee? If you were, you certainly didn’t voice that opinion out loud because I didn’t hear it. I heard no mention of whiny pit bull owners by anyone either. Are you somehow privy to information I don’t have, maybe info posted on your super secret pb revealed facebook page or tiny confessions page? OR do you just like to generalize when and where it suits you because it can’t possibly be that there are actual upstanding citizens that disagree with you and get involved in their local community. Surely if someone disagrees with you, they must be part of some big, evil conspiracy against people who hate pitbulls and they are all felons and rapists. I love when people post massive generalizations like this. It shows everyone how little they really know about the issues at hand and their credibility goes out the window.

          • 1tonysolesky1

            RealityFun, Here is a dose of reality for you.I know the issue as well as anyone in the country. I know dogs and I know it is entirely a public safety issue. My son was involved in the mauling in Maryland that had the breed declared inherently dangerous and I spent two years after that ruling advocating for a law that improved public protection. There has never been a call for a Poodle ban or a beagle ban in the USA. There are vastly more dogs breeds that have never even warranted the discussion. While some breeds to warrant a discussion and banning as well, the one constant is that Pit bulls top the list. The question for you in all reality is how do you comment without recognizing that simple fact.

          • Phillipgalloway

            And your bill got thrown out. Cooler smarter heads prevailed and Solesky was sent to the great round burning barrel to become nothing but a short side note of no importance.

          • 1tonysolesky1

            Phillipgalloway, This is the age of the internet I would not invitee you to google me if I didn;t know what I was talking about. I invite other to comment so I can prove they don’t know what they are talking about. Those two points I make are these. 1.) a dog is trained to what it is bred for and training is thus limited to a dogs breeding. Pit bulls are bred to a purpose of dog fighting and dog fighting is illegal so should the paraphernalia of dog fighting the Pit Bull be.
            2.) There was never any bill I won a high court ruling, that ruling and not other court ruling can be overturned by anyone other than the court itself. We won our case and our claim and the law was changed retro actively as a result of that ruling. In response as is supposed to happen the legislature had to draft a new law. That new law did not restore the old law it rather expanded the ruling to all dog breeds. Pit Bulls were never banned in Maryland they were just the only dog held to strict liability. Now all dogs are held to strict liability when at large and Rebuttable Presumption in all other case.Meaning a victim no longer has to prove the dog owner was on notice to get them into court. Now dog owner has to prove they were not on notice before a jury. Pit Bulls were banned in PG County Md only before the ruling and remain banned today.The ruling however remains a president and can and will and has already been cities in any of the remaining 49 states who have cases in common law like MD. That is why the ruling, not the law is covered in the National Media. This is why I love the internet.

          • Travelmate

            Actually, I just read the news. I’ve seen one recent instance in South Bend Indiana where Valerie Schey, a pit bull promoter, got herself elected to the city council for the sole purpose of removing their BSL. I’ve never seen a city council decide their enforced BSL should be abandoned to make people safer. Never. It is always pit bull owners who want pit bulls – maulings be damned. It is usually a scoff-law pit bull owner who gets outside help. BFAS has a template for how to get outside pit pushers to get involved in intimidating local city councils and offers to have a pit lovin’ lawyer call and mention law suits. Read about how it works here: http://bit.ly/1EWix1O.

            Yes there is a clear pattern to how BSL gets overturned. And there is a pattern for a reason & both BFAS and AFF have created the patterns.

          • Bob Rtarp

            BSL works. here is an article from a local news organization in onatario , a province that banned pits 10years ago

            BSL WORKS!!!!!

            http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/10/03/pit_bulls_were_torontos_biggest_biters_before_the_ban.html

          • lynnf1954

            Only Colloon and her 25 puppets know better. The majority of the experts, published experts, obviously are ignorant of this conspiracy, lol!

          • 1tonysolesky1

            Actually, we had the same problem with the tobacco lobby and health studies as we do with the NCRC. The reality is anywhere there is a court ruing, like in Maryland where I live, the NCRC has never been revealed to be credible. They like the Humane Society, the ASPCA and the AVMA are not public safety officials, they are animal welfare and veterinary care organizations that have no business being relied upon to set public policy on human health, welfare and safety. Doing so is is literally as out of context as someone calling their car dealer for assistance in a car accident. People injured by dogs are not transported to veterinarians and they do not receive after care from humane and rescue groups. The whole dog behaviorist and training position is whacky to anyone that actually knows the issue. That said, with no shortage of disengaged humans from their fellow man, the demographic is just too tempting not to exploit financially. If these people really cared about dogs, they would not allow anyone to breed a dog or any animal without a license and a commitment from a consumer before they are bred. Oh but that might put a dent in the animal population that all of these groups rake the bucks in over. At a tune of about 1200.00 per year for the 10 to 14 year life span of a dog.

          • What? That was just painful to read it. Are you still sending emails to city council members all over the US claiming to be an expert in BSL Tony? The one to Aurora was a riot.

          • 1tonysolesky1

            No ColoRadogs, I do not send letters all that often but I do call and speak with legislators and council members all over the country.I also let them know that I have substantial experience and knowledge on the matter yes.

          • 1tonysolesky1

            You are a White Female aren’t you ColoRADogs ????

          • Nope. Good try though.

          • lynnf1954

            And I have asked for documentation of that from you for months, but you provide no facts.

          • WTF are you on about? You don’t understand that AFF owns NCRC?

            http://www.animalfarmfoundation.org/pages/About-Us-FAQs

          • HarveMorgan

            Give me a break, you do no such thing. One can read you clearly. You are nothing more than a puppet repeating the myths and propaganda given to you. You’ve never read DBO or you would realize how foolish you sound on these comments.

          • Mary Ann Redfern

            She’s a dog hoarder, one or two of them pibbles.

          • lynnf1954

            And who is your puppeteer, Colleen or Merritt? I research for a living. I know a credible source when I see one. Neither of your “gurus” are credentialed in anything regarding dog behavior,sociology, psychology or statistics.

          • HarveMorgan

            LOL, you get funnier by the comment. Pull out all the maultalk. We have all the excuses documented here. I’ve asked that numbers be applied to make it easier for you guys instead of your editorials. http://maultalk.wordpress.com/

          • lynnf1954

            Why would I read yet another blog (otherwise known as an editorial) to document your fantasies? Honestly, you need to come out of your Momma’s basement now and again to see and interact with real people. Now take your meds and go to sleep.

          • Phillipgalloway

            Like you repeat the lies told you by the HSUS…..

          • Mary Ann Redfern

            Oh, yeah, that’s the way Lynn, the dog hoarder, talks.

          • lynnf1954

            Can you add any intelligent remarks to the conversation, or has this discussion turned to your inordinate interest in me, Mary Ann? I really haven’t seen a contribution regarding pitbulls from you on this thread. Has your interest turned to stalking?

          • 1tonysolesky1

            Lynn1954 Police reports are affidavits so are insurance claims when signed off and so are hospital reports and each states Trauma registries. The issue is one of public safety and by all measures Pit bulls present an ordinate danger as domesticated animals to other animals wild and domestic as well as most importantly humans. Pit Bulls are domesticated fighting dogs not domesticated companion dogs. Lastly the debate is in and of itself evidence of a problem with this particular breed. All domesticated animals are a unnatural concentration of physical and behavioral instincts. Domesticated does not mean safe and wild does not mean dangerous. Wild Lions are dangerous and domestically bred fighting dogs are dangerous.

          • Bob Rtarp

            GOOD YOU BE SICKENED. WE ARE SICKENED BY YOU SICK PEOPLE AND YOUR REFUSAL TO BE SICKENED BY THE KILLING THESE MONSTERS DO. WE ARE GLAD YOU ARE FINALLY SICKENED WITH US YOU SICK PIECE OF HUMAN GARBAGE.

          • lynnf1954

            What sickens me, Bob, is the violations of the HIPAA laws when your site displays victims photographed in hospital rooms, and your dehumanization of them to suit your own agendas. The site has nothing to do with education or victim advocacy, everything to do with exploitation. I have been in touch with the AMA and the Federal Department of Health and Human Services to make them aware of the site. What sickens me is the gullibility of you all in believing unqualified, self proclaimed experts in the subject who have no credentials. You are as manipulated as the poor victims by a couple of scam artists. What sickens me is that no supporters of your site give a rat’s behind for non-pitbull victims. I suppose they suffer less, so they don’t need the protection that breed neutral regulations would provide. What sickens me is the blatant ignorance and hypocrisy I see, and after reading your ignorant response, what sickens me is that you dare to call me a piece of garbage. Look in the mirror.
            There are over 5 million pitbulls and mixes in the US currently, owned by people. That’s according to last census and Merritt Clifton’s best guesstimate. How many have you read of this year? Those you have not read of are the family dogs, the service dogs, therapy dogs, working dogs. It’s too bad good news doesn’t sell copy the way the gruesome, sensational headlines do.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Your comment, “your dehumanization of them (pit bull attack victims) to suit your own agendas.”

            Are you kidding? Pit bull advocates routinely attempt to humanize pit bulls and in effect dehumanize victims of pit bull attacks! Pit bull advocates go so far as to call anyone who speaks out about pit bulls, “racist”.

            Your comment, “What sickens me is the blatant ignorance and hypocrisy I see”

            Like promoting pit bulls, a fighting breed dog, as pets is not blatant ignorance. HUE HUE HUE!

          • Gabriel Barros

            What misinformation is coming from Dogsbite org? All their data is researched and cited by multiple sources.

            If there is something that is legitimately wrong on Dogsbite org, I’m sure if you mention it to them, they will happily make a retraction.

          • Mary Ann Redfern

            Are you the same Lynn that hoards dogs? Just curious. You sound like her.

          • Sandy Chlubna

            When I grow up, I want to be a crazy dog lady! 😉

          • lynnf1954

            Well, you’re halfway there.

          • Gabriel Barros

            LOL! HUE HUE HUE!

          • Gabriel Barros

            HUE HUE HUE!

        • Random Dude

          Can’t dispute Pat? Where is this data that cliftton refuses to provide? We are supposed to just believe some pit bull hater who has been debunked time and time again? Stop chasing his tail around the net and do your own homework.

      • Beth Kehoe

        “More important, the column contains serious accusations against the publisher of Animals24-7.org, Merritt Clifton. Clifton is North America’s primary source for statistical information on maulings, maimings and dogbite-related fatalities according to breed. His disinterested, freely distributed and continually updated reports furnish sine qua non information to my cohort in the pit bull debate.”

        http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/-barbara-kay/pit-bull-merritt-clifton_b_5900736.html

        • RealityFun

          Oh, they must be talking about these stats: http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2011/09/merritt-clifton-when-the-numbers-just-dont-add-up.html The stats that he refused to release the back up data on so they can be analyzed. No credible source does that when it comes to releasing stats. What’s really sad is everything Clifton has put out on pitbulls has been debunked and ignored by the scientific community but no other groups have stepped forward to try and create new reports that show his data is accurate. Most likely because they’ve tried but couldn’t find any reputable sources that would back up Merritt Clifton. In fact, many of the locations that have recently decided against BSL, have stated publically they looked over his data and found it to be highly inaccurate. There are more articles and talks online about how bad Merritt’s data is than there are positive articles about his data. That pretty much sums it up.

          • Jim Murray Mahutga

            Actually it hasn’t been debunked. But please continue to live in your delusional world.

          • 100% right. Merritt will not release his pseudo data for peer review because he knows it is neither credible nor is his statistical analysis.

          • Mary Ann Redfern

            Wish they all could be California dogs?

          • What? You make no sense Mary. Are you trying to somehow shame us or expose that we take dogs from out of state? That’s not a secret Mary nor something we are remotely ashamed of. We also work with cruelty case dogs and fight bust dogs. We’re proud of all of our work.

          • 1tonysolesky1

            All you have to do is request the Trauma Registries in your state and insurance actuaries all of which are affidavits because of the associated Police reports and financial compensation claims.

          • Jan Smith

            They won’t do anything to prove his data wrong because if they collect the data themselves their finding are only going to prove him right and hurt their cause. When the tobacco lobby was in full swing you could find ten times as many articles and statistics from their side showing how healthy and safe cigarettes are, compared to articles and studies proving they are harmful. The fact that there are a bunch of pit bull propaganda sites out there desperate to prove Merritt wrong because of how damaging his findings are to the cause does not make it truth, anymore than the junk science and articles put out by the tobacco lobby about cigarettes being safe is truth. http://sruv-pitbulls.blogspot.com/2014/09/douglas-anthony-cooper.html

      • Jan Smith

        The appropriate way to challenge statistics is to offer alternative statistics, not to attempt to assassinate the character of the person collecting the data. He is transparent with his data, anyone can find it and anyone is free to go collect the data themselves if they feel like the numbers are somehow incorrect. Feel free to get back to us when you’re done collecting hospital, police, animal control and media reports on fatal and disfiguring attacks and have calculated the data based on breed. I’ll be waiting. http://www.animals24-7.org/2014/09/27/32-years-of-logging-fatal-disfiguring-dog-attacks/

        • Jan Smith

          I wouldn’t put too much stock into Mr. Douglas Anthony Cooper either. For him to call someone an academic impostor is the pot calling the kettle black.
          The problem in reading The academic impostor behind the pit bull hysteria, by Douglas Anthony Cooper, is whether or not Mr Cooper sincerely believes what he has written. The alternative is to consider the article as part of his continual self-promotion campaign.
          Mr Cooper is one of a handful of pit bull advocates who, once they begin to write are unable to stop. Cooper shares this compulsion with the two bloggers he cites favorably in his article, Joshua Liddy and Brent Toellner; if they can’t convince their readers they will bore us into submission. It sometimes appears that these three men are so enamored of their own writing that they are each their own best audience.
          Mr Cooper’s two-and-a-half-thousand-word article has a simple goal: to defame Merritt Clifton and thereby diminish Clifton’s dog attack statistics collected over the last 32 years. Cooper’s failure is apparent in his very first sentence:
          The most influential advocate for the eradication of pit bulls is an academic fraud.
          Right out of the chute Mr Cooper has made a false statement: Clifton has never called for the eradication of pit bulls. Fact checking will prove it.
          http://sruv-pitbulls.blogspot.com/2014/09/douglas-anthony-cooper.html

          • Most of the pit bull owners like to complain that pro-BSL people are somehow “handicapped” as a result of not actually owning any pit bulls – i.e. we cannot speak authoritatively about a dog breed that we have never owned.

            But Cooper doesn’t own any either, and has no experience with them, since he owns Italian greyhounds and Mexican hairless dogs. Neither does he have any children to protect from any dog.

          • Sandy Chlubna

            And so the conclusion is a dog is a dog. And each dog is an individual. So no one breed should be pick out for (as the Nazis called it” special treatment.

          • Yes, pit bull fanatics claim dogs are all the same, except when pro
            BSL advocates critique them, and then they’re not. But thanks for
            being the first person in this thread to Godwin the whole thing.
            It was inevitable, I guess.

          • 1tonysolesky1

            You cannot have dogs defined as different breeds and conclude they are all the same. That is a oxymoron. Namely the only way dogs could all be the same is if no one interfered with them when they mate. Not one breed can continue exist or would ever exist if it were not for man. This is because no matter how many generations you bred your dogs, they will never inherent a instinct to mate only with others of the same breed to preserve their own breed. Thus to exist they must be and are completely different.

        • RealityFun

          Umm, there’s a huge difference between an “attempt to assassinate the character of the person collecting the data” and posting an article that calls into question the validity of the data that person publishes and calls out the fact that he’s been repeatedly asked for his source information and has refused to give it up and repeatedly can’t answer simple questions about his data. Lets over dramatize shall we? I wasn’t planning on commenting anymore, but I felt I needed to clear that up since you falsely accused me of vilifying someone’s character. If you’d actually read the links I posted, you would know that what you said wasn’t true (and if you did read them, then you purposely tried to mislead others).

        • RealityFun

          “He is transparent with his data, anyone can find it and anyone is free to go collect the data themselves” by this, I’m assuming you mean anyone can google “pitbull attack” and count the number of articles that come up? Because “media reports” is the only answer he’s given about his data.

          • Jan Smith

            Actually his data comes from hospital, police, animal control AND media reports. He uses them all in conjunction with each other so he can ensure his data is correct. It’s clear that you have never looked into any of his research of listened to him speak or you would know that already. You blindly listen to what Douglas Anthony Cooper says just because it suits your agenda that he claims Merritt’s data is unreliable. Douglas Anthony Cooper has no authority in the animal world, he had never even owned a pit bull until recently and he tries to make out like he is an authority on the subject. As an academic impostor himself it seems pretty bold for Mr. Cooper to make such claims about anyone else. Especially about someone with 32 years of calculating data and researching animal related issues. It should be noted that Merritt’s data has never been disputed until the pit bull lobby found out about his data on people and animals being mauled or killed by dogs, and realized how damaging it was to their cause.

      • Mary Ann Redfern

        Have you applied to the “Enquirer” tabloid rag? They do not much care if the info is truthful. They just want it to be outrageous. You would be perfect for that except for the fact that you have no idea how to properly punctuate or separate sentences. Never mind.

        • RealityFun

          Oh, I’ve seen your name before. You don’t ‘t speak intelligently online. You only throw out personal insults and threats to people you don’t know. Oh look, that’s what you’re doing right here. Oh wait, that’s all you’ve done all week, month, how far back? http://disqus.com/maryannredfern/ It’s what you do, and it seems to be all you do. An obsession. At a quick glance, I see nothing except personal insult posts. You’re not worth my time and now you rank up there with Harve & Tom: To be ignored. Post away.

      • Jan Smith

        I wouldn’t put too much stock into old Douglas Anthony Cooper and his retaliatory article. You can’t claim one source is unreliable by offering up a completely unreliable source as your proof. http://sruv-pitbulls.blogspot.com/2014/09/douglas-anthony-cooper.html

  • Bob Rtarp

    let me try to explain how the system works for all you mentally handicapped people(people with underdeveloped frontal lobes)/
    This is America we live in , a democracy. A democracy is where the people can vote and their voices heard to pass laws.
    The good people of aurora voted and decided not to let monster fighting breed dogs like the pitbull into its neighborhoods and endanger their families. Now the losers of the vote are angry and threatening elected officials? You Pit nuts are anti American, evil people.
    I have an idea, instead of getting angry at the results of a democratic vote why don’t you think about why you are part of a fringe group?
    Why are you not the norm? Why are you angry? Why do dangerous animals excite you? You are the minority and if you don’t like our laws in this community you can move out.

    • Gail L Rosbach

      Now theres a good idea!

    • Julie Edwards-Matanga

      There is a reason that they like pit bulls, there are actual studies about these anti-social types that tend to have criminal backgrounds.

      • Jan Smith

        A total of 166 owners of high risk dogs were compared with 189 owners of low risk dogs. The high risk dog owners had nearly 10 times more criminal convictions than other dog owners. Breaking the data down by categories of criminal behavior they found that high risk dog owners were 6.8 times more likely to be convicted of an aggressive crime, 2.8 times more likely to have carried out a crime involving children, 2.4 times more likely to have perpetrated domestic violence, and 5.4 times more likely to have an alcohol related conviction when compared to low risk dog owners. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/canine-corner/200903/psychological-characteristics-owners-high-risk-aggression-dog-breeds

        • Do we really want to discuss criminal backgrounds? Be careful of glass houses.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Journal of Interpersonal Violence

            Volume 21 Number 12 December 2006

            Ownership of High-Risk (“Vicious”) Dogs as a Marker for Deviant Behaviors

            Implications for Risk Assessment

            “The analysis revealed that owners of HR (high risk) dogs had significantly more criminal convictions and traffic citations in all categories except crimes involving children.”

            “Professionals such as child and adult protection investigators, law enforcement officers, pediatricians and medical practitioners, home visiting professionals, domestic violence investigators, and public health nurses may find it useful to be informed about the breed and specific behaviors of the dogs that share the environment with their clients. First, be aware that the dog breed, ESPECIALLY OWNING A PIT BULL, MAY BE A RISK MARKER.”

          • shadowraithe

            OH there we go again, grasping at straws are you? Still obsessed with irrelevant innuendos. We are discussing the danger of pit bulls and psychopathic owners. Got your attention now? How many do you own? Do the math.

          • We don’t own any at this time actually. What does THAT say? “que suspicious music”

          • shadowraithe

            It says you dont want to talk about the dangers of pit bulls in our communities. You are trying to change the subject.

          • Lisa Gaffney

            Nancy, this is funny coming from someone who posts rants on behalf of ColoRADogs about peanut butter and other such nonsense further trying to victimize a man who’s child was essentially EATEN by pit bulls. Says a LOT about you, Ms. Integrity, and also raises some questions about your business – it’s odd they’d let you speak on behalf of the organization in such a crude, childish and unprofessional manner. Unless, of course, you’re a one woman “shelter” aka hoarding facility that can speak freely spouting out rumors as fact since they represent you and ONLY your interests.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Yeah, not only that. I listened in on one of those news radio shows and she was on. Her and her cronies were joking and laughing like a bunch of cackling hens. Even when talking about victims of pit bull attacks. It was truly disgusting to hear.

            I did notice a tone of seriousness ONLY when they spoke of BSL. Other than that, the entire time they just blah blah blah, laugh laugh laugh.

          • Jeff Bogkart

            lol!! so you obviously missed your own hero Jeff UMMM boofhead in his radio interview hilarious if the subject matter wasn’t so grim and tragic, the fact is the babysitter is responsible and should have been charged, the fact the dogs killed dax instantly deems them dangerous and she exposed him to the dogs?

          • Joanna McGinn

            Because they are devoid of any human sense of compassion and empathy that NORMAL people have… it seems that they have a birth defect and have come into the world like this. It is call Affective Detachment Disorder. These are the people who become serial killers… which is why they want to keep their dogs that are like them.

          • Mary Olson

            since you do not know any of us personally mcginn ..try to refrain yourself from analyzing people on the net..you are not qualified to do so. Deal with your own inadequacies before you start on anyone else…Be a good Christian.. I double dare ya..

          • Jeff Bogkart

            there you go again doing our job for us and just in case your wondering what i’m talking about? Dax was not EATEN by anything , yes he was tragically attacked and lost his life as a result of the babysitter being unable to control her own dogs?? oh and we working on an award for the babysitter as she’s the only pitbull owner that foamers have ever beleived and that’s because she’s lying through her teeth? unless of course you think it’s acceptable that she left dax in a pool of his own blood on a cold hardwood floor naked struggling for life ALONE!!! yes ALONE, she needed to make a phone call!!

          • Christy

            They may not have consumed Dax’s flesh, but the dogs were licking the bloody snow. Dax’s blood. That can certainly qualify as them eating part of him.

            What is amazing to me is that you can play a gotcha game about whether or not the two dogs actually consumed (ate) a child, when that VERY SAME CHILD was ripped apart by the two dogs, resulting in prolonged tortured attack and an unbelievably painful death.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Pit bull owners are sociopaths.

          • Mary Olson

            another online failed psychiatrist…

          • heather

            was the child’s clothes torn? Just wondering

          • heather

            When does the babysitter get blamed? After all blame the owners, right? I want to know why the child’s clothes weren’t ripped? Holes in the story if I do say so myself. Only one person knows the truth, until the blame starts there, you people are hypocrites!

          • Lisa Camuso

            Lisa, get real…… you need to ask your buddy Jeffrey about peanut butter comments….You and your cult friends could only wish to be as proactive as Nancy …instead, you couch potatoes sit around pointing fingers and DO NOTHING to help victims of dog attacks… you are a waste of our time, the publics time and your own time. Once you are able to state that you lifted a digit to promote public safety ( real public safety), then maybe I will address you as the real deal…right now, you are just another flying monkey. Move over, gimp.

          • Mary Olson

            his son was mauled and killed by his babysitters pit bulls not eaten..shame on you for twisting words to try and push your interests..

          • Lisa Gaffney

            Not to mention, it’s very much like insinuating that somehow his son DESERVED to die because you don’t like or approve of (can you imagine that… someone of YOUR caliber, disapproving of someone… what a JOKE) him? Once again, pit bull advocates/breeders/pocketbook stretchers (hey, somebody’s got to hold it open for the donations to flow into)/fighters – it’s all the same really, isn’t it? If you were really FOR pit bulls, you’d not be attacking the victims, trying to silence and discredit the victims. You would be doing something FOR pitbulls – such as enforcing spay/neutering so that pit bulls don’t die in the millions each year due to overbreeding. You’d be telling these people who will later be mauled and be blamed by YOU AND YOUR pit bull buddies that they shouldn’t have had their kids all over the dogs. You’d be fighting tooth and nail to get responsible owners to knock off the bullcrap. You’d be going after dog fighters and pit bull bestiality sites. You’d be caring about whether pit bulls are going to go to homes that are appropriate and ARE CAPABLE of caring for them responsibly and SAFELY within the community instead of oh look at this poor dog, give us donations so we can feed him forever and ever and ever, and when that one’s out the door, 20 new ones take it’s place. It’s real easy to talk out of your ass how misunderstood and abused pit bulls are while you sit idly by and do nothing except hold your pockets open. You are an absolute DISGRACE.

          • Gabriel Barros

            The lack of empathy for victims of pit bull attacks from ALL pit bull advocates is truly disturbing. I classify all pit bull advocates as sociopaths.

          • Jeff Bogkart

            that’s ok with us because we and the general public at large know that your so full of it your teeth a brown and your breathe smell like turds!! lol!!

          • Mary Olson

            and your credentials please? or is that magic like button on DBO your certification?

          • Jeff Bogkart

            honestly Lisa you do more good for advocates with your constant untruths and insistent attacks on people and generalizing! my lord you people ? but then again you don’t have to be einstine to figure out why merrit has to fudge the numbers and you all have 5 fake accounts each it’s straight forward really,, your trying to sell the public the biggest lie since the nazi’s called auschwitz a summer retreat and you are the minority and you have no support?? try not to get too butt hurt when BSL is totally eradicated and pitbulls are on every street corner!!! lol!! at you psyche chicken!! buck buck! blinkety blink!!

          • Lisa Camuso

            Lisa, your comment would have some clout if it wasn’t colored with bullsh#t.

          • Mary Olson

            that is not insinuating blaming the victim in any way …that is DBO’s reply to anything they are unable to refute…it’s called propaganda…

          • Joanna McGinn

            You’re still a pusher.

          • Mary Olson

            You are still full of it

          • Christy

            “at this time”

            But, as you have admitted, you plan on continuing to promote pitbulls- hands on, so you WILL have posession of pitbulls in the future, so why wouldn’t the study apply to you?

            You are a premeditated pitbull owner. LOL!

          • Jeff Bogkart

            that’s what your discussing as your typically off topic but this story is about BSL mate?? blink blink

          • Joanna McGinn

            you may want to use PAST but this is about a current and very real STATUS of most PB owners (not including the sweet, brainwashed innocents that will soon find out that the cute puppy suddenly went after their child or other dogs so they dump it at the shelter without telling the truth about the behaviors) but the ones who SEEK OUT this kind of dog and/or breed them.

            Huge difference between past and PRESENT and ONGOING behaviors and attitudes.

            The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV-TR) is another widely used tool for the diagnosis and it defines sociopath traits as:

            A) Pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:

            Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest

            Deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure

            Impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead

            Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults

            Reckless disregard for safety of self or others

            Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations

            Lack of remorse as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

            B) The individual is at least age 18 years.

            C) There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.

            D) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or a manic episode.

        • Jeff Birdcart

          but it’s the “breed” and not the owners?? can you all just make your mind up?? even “loving family” pitbulls with good owners have attacked?? but when pit advocates say it’s the owners you all say NO it’s the breed but you all consitantly blame the owners and even have pages dedicated to it??? what the go?? blink blink?

          • Jan Smith

            If you actually read the study (I know how hard it is for you to educate yourself on something before you speak) you would have read where it says it is not scientific and that it is simply a correlation study meant to invoke thought, not to prove anything one way or the other. Judging by the aggressive and combative responses I got just by posting the findings of the study I’d say their findings don’t seem to be too far off though 😉

          • cvxxx

            It can be both. Pit bulls are not the most dangerous breed but the raising of them is more difficult. All dogs have to be socialized. The more powerful and heavier the more care.

          • Christy

            The breed is to blame and, SOMETIMES, so are the owners.

            But pitbull propagandists like you are especially to blame because you know the dangers of these high risk dogs, yet you still push them on unsuspecting families.

            Pit pushers/pitbull propagandists are worse than (unsuspecting or propagandized) pitbull owners just like money grubbing drug dealers are worse than drug users. It’s all about selfishness.

        • lynnf1954

          You need to read that study more carefully, and consider this. How many dog owners do you think there are in the US right now? Do you know where the 166 owners of “high risk dogs” were polled from? A county courthouse. One county courthouse. Hardly a good representation of varying demographics in this country. I can design a study to support any hypothesis I want to. All I need to do is word the survey questions to get the answers I want and cherry pick the subjects I interview. Sorry, I do a lot of research in human services and I know how it works. Stop being so gullible and lazy. Do your own research using peer reviewed material and stop being Colleen Lynn’s dupe.

          • Retiree

            Well, if I’m the one who was killed by a pit bull (and they do kill more people (overwhelmingly more) than any other breed), I wouldn’t much care about any study or how it was conducted, So here’s what I know. If there are no pit bulls in Aurora in the next ten years, there will be no pit bull caused deaths or maimings. If there were pit bulls in Aurora, there would almost definitely be deaths and maimings caused by these killer animals. I rest my case!

          • Joanna McGinn

            strange comment from a dupe of the Pit lobby funded by those from the American Farm Foundation… even the NCRC has become wiet becuses logic has totally wiped everything on their front page.

          • Randy Bosley

            Joanna McGinn lynnf1954 • 20 hours ago

            strange comment from a dupe of the Pit lobby funded by those from the American Farm Foundation… even the NCRC has become wiet becuses logic has totally wiped everything on their front page.

            American Farm Foundation? Never heard of it and if there is an “American Farm Foundation”, I doubt they would give two shytes about this article, McHeinous. I also have no idea what “wiet becuses” means.

        • Jeff Bogkart

          but isn’t it the breed! lol!! make your minds up?

      • Phillipgalloway

        Yes, Like Jeff Bordshit and his side dish babysitter. Drug charges from selling drugs to kids, in Wisconsin but this is Colorado, they don’t mind that kind of thing here.Everyone has drug problems in Colorado. Driving while intoxicated multiple times. This is the person you hate filled miscreants look up to, because he drank the kook-aid.

        • Nevada Ames

          “Jeff Bordshit’s” (Borchardt’s) young son was violently killed by his babysitter’s two pet pit bulls in a totally unprovoked attack that lasted several minutes. So if you lose your child to a pit bull attack and you speak up about it, you’ve “drank the kook-aid.” And if you’ve ever broken a law, you deserve to lose your son. Do I have that right?

          • Jeff Birdcart

            the babysitter’s dogs were “boxer” mixes according to the Vet techs that prcessed the dogs following Dax’s death?? OH and losing your child to a “dog” attack doesn’t afford you the right to start abusing people and posting pics of their kids and pets without permission?? Losing your son in a “dog” attack doesn’t make it ok to tell 12 year old girls to engage in beastiality?? nor does it give you the right to poison innocent family pets because they look like pitbulls as Jeff frequently does???, and as for this nutter at sentinel pls be reminded just over 100,000 people voted on ordinance ? population of USA is over 80 million so Aurora just a drop in the ocean if you look at the big picture??

          • shadowraithe

            Lies.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Your comment, “the babysitter’s dogs were “boxer” mixes according to the Vet techs that prcessed the dogs following Dax’s death”

            The vet techs lied. They were pit bulls and they killed his baby in an unprovoked attack that lasted 15 minutes. Many vet techs are notoriously pro pit bull even when facts shows that pit bulls kill more people than all other breeds combined.

            He has a facebook page and you can read about it yourself or if you’d like to hear it from Mr. Bordchardt, send him a message and he will explain to you exactly what happened.

          • lynnf1954

            What qualifies you to say the vet techs lied? To accuse them of having an agenda, when you obviously do as well is the pot calling the kettle black.
            It is a tragedy that Jeff lost his child. No parent should ever have to bury his child, but his behavior since cannot be justified. I have seen some of his postings and they are not relevant or rational. He is crass and obscene. I find it odd that he blames every pitbull owner in the world except the ones directly responsible for the dogs and the attack, the babysitter and himself.

          • Gabriel Barros

            The pictures of the pit bulls are easy enough to find. Take a look for yourself. The vet techs LIED.

          • lynnf1954

            I’m sorry, I did not see any pictures of the dogs. Could you send a link? TY

          • Jan Smith

            These are the two dogs, Bosston and Penny, that killed Daxton. The puppy pictured is Penny, being held by the babysitter and owner, Susan, who raised both dogs from puppies as family pets. http://blog.dogsbite.org/2013/07/beyond-the-interview-essay-of-a-fatal-pit-bull-mauling.html

          • lynnf1954

            Thank you, Jan.

          • Jeff Bogkart

            the forehead is boxer, the eyes are the wrong shape, i agree they look like pitbulls a bit but it’s common knowledge that not all dogs that look like pitbulls are actually pitbulls and as no DNA testing has ever been done we’ll never know for sure?

          • Gabriel Barros

            Hey moron, this looks familiar?

            Brindle

            A brindle pit bull is one with a dark, yellowish-brown to gray coat that has darker streaks of color running through it. Brindle, along with fawn (light yellowish-brown), are two of the most common colors for pit bulls. Coat color is determined by several genes, each of which is found at a certain location (locus) of the dog’s genome and has at least two versions (alleles). The primary locus responsible for the brindle color is the dominant black K locus. The K locus has three alleles: K with “b” (black), K with “br” (brindle) and K with “y” (fawn). Black is dominant to brindle, while brindle is dominant to fawn. This means that a brindle pit bull is usually not descended from a black parent. If one parent is brindle and the other fawn, it has at least a 50-percent chance of being brindle. Two brindle pit bulls will always breed a brindle pup. The early breeders thus developed brindle pit bulls by breeding a brindle dog with another brindle or with a fawn dog.

            http://api.ning.com/files/wrTspeAfNS7meAB*jHIWR7QkCEr0OeuXmnkCrOB8HCuYU1NSSfWL74-kzjPuDSu5okX7okT1WeXJRbBHP7Z7Xe*vN1GNcNLR/shona232.jpg

          • Jeff Bogkart

            of cousre they did and sussan is the one pitbull owner in history you believe even though she didn’t actually own a pitbull??, she changed her story once schooled by boofhead? i bet if she still said she didn’t know what breed they were you all would crucufy her and victimize her as you do every other person that objects to bsl whether they’re pitbull owners or not!! blink blink

          • Why is it Jeff’s fault? Should he not have trusted the pit bulls? You mean, they are untrustworthy as pets?

          • lynnf1954

            Do youo all go to word twisiting classes together? Stop acting so dense, Heather, and don’t quit your day job. You’ll never be a lawyer. I am saying that Jeff blames all pitbull owners for his child’s death when he and the babysitter were the only ones in control of that situation. My dogs did not kill the poor baby, nor did the dogs of anyone I know. Yet he takes his anger out on any one who owns a pitbull and none of the responsibility for himself. He had left the child with the sitter several times before, so he knew she had the dogs.
            Jeff does have control over his behavior. I would never condone the reported post about Dax’s head, nor would I ever associate with anyone so insensitive, but Jeff’s rants on his blog are not any better. He has made comments about pitbull owners and bestiality in a public forum,and said outright that he would poison any pitbull that moved next door to him with antifreeze and then lie about it to the authorities. I don’t know who was the first offender, as I don’t follow a lot of blogs, but I do know that nasty comments are usually returned in kind. And before you tell me he has earned the right to be so crass because he is grieving I will tell you he is not the only one on the face of this earth who has experienced tragic loss. We grieve as well, but would never be excused for that behavior, not in the circles in which I move.

          • At its core, you response is merely another facet of blaming the victim. When presented with a ghastly pic of someone maimed by a dog, your initial reaction is cry foul at the person who posted the pic (quite apart from the fact that it’s been circulating on the internet for god knows how long already).

            You cap that off by suggesting that the baby sitter, whose dogs were never aggro before they attacked Jeff’s son (my dogs would never bite anyone! My dogs would only lick you to death!) is culpable.

            You are unable to acknowledge that pit bulls themselves are wholly capable of going pit on people. You are offended by the possibility of a HIPAA violation far more than you are concerned about a disfiguring dog bite. So stop worrying about my day job and focus on your own personal shortcomings. All your anger and frustration is misdirected at the wrong people. Fix yourself before you criticize others.

          • lynnf1954

            Any dog can “go pit” on someone, but there is always a provocation. As for the babysitter’s responsibility in this, I am not blaming anyone. I am pointing out the double standard used. A pitbull owner is a terrible lowlife in your eyes, but she was a kind enough young woman to babysit Dax when necessary. Isn’t that, and DBO’s treatment of her now somewhat contradictory?

            As for violating HIPAA privacy laws, I am firmly opposed. As a professional, you should be as well. I have no idea how long those pictures have been floating around, as I don’t look for them, but I doubt they have been long enough to beat the statute of limitations.

            I have been reviewing my posts, as well as yours, and I don’t believe I have responded in anger. I respond factually. If there are over 5 million pitbulls and pit mixes in the US, according to you they should all be owned by one-legged, or one-armed people. I can accept that a dog, any dog can attack, and that children are the most vulnerable when a large dog is involved. They are also the ones who don’t know how to read a dog’s warning signs and so won’t back off. There are irresponsible dog owners, but there are many more that are responsible and should not be punished for the crimes of a few. Don’t respond to me in anger because I might provide some cognitive dissonance as to your view of a “typical pitbull owner”. There is emotion and there is fact. Fact based decisions are much more sound than those made based on emotion.

            Read the empirical evidence, that vetted by professionals. Breed neutral legislation ensures every dog owner is responsible for his animals. There are already laws on the books of most communities for containment of dogs, restraint in public, licensing, zoning. We could all be on the same page if these were equally enforced, and we could spend the money that would be spent defending BSL on education and low cost spay and neuter programs. Soon there would be no more overcrowding of shelters and few stray dogs.

          • No, there is not always a provocation for which the appropriate response is an attack. A man was recently attacked by a pit bull while sleeping – this was in a news report. A few days ago this horse was attacked in its pasture while simply being a horse. http://www.kgw.com/story/news/

            So what you deem to be a provocation, I call a “stimulus.” And why are the dogs stimulated to attack? You’d have to go back to their evolutionary biology or their selective breeding. You can surely see why a dog that was used to holding animals for slaughter or bear baiting would respond positively to attacking a horse? That’s what they were bred for. The horse was a stimulus, but not a provocation. Care to concede on that? I also saw a horse I was riding with get attacked by a pitbull in 1992 – nearly ripped the horse’s lower lip off. The horse was not even aware of the dog before it was attacked and certainly didn’t provoke it.

            No, I do not believe all pit bull owners are derelict human beings, although I think the Psychology Today articles accurately depict many of them very accurately. I think many people are lulled into a false sense of security over the “Nanny Dog” claims when they should have the common sense to realize that no credible dog behaviourist or pediatrician would advise letting children play in close proximity to dogs or even cats. There are bad owners for every breed of dog, but stray yorkies or irish setters don’t usually get themselves into the same degree of trouble as pits. Did you really think people believe that only pit bull owners are irresponsible?

            Violations of HIPAA laws aren’t merely confined to pictures floating around the internet. HIPAA violations can consist of missing patient signatures, insider snooping, telling friends about patients in hospital, not appropriately logging off your computer, or unprotected storage of records. There is no proof that this photo was released in violation either.

            The problem with breed neutral laws is that even pit nuts
            don’t want those. They just don’t want to be held accountable, which is why so many of them bail out of the community or jump in the car when the dog attacks. Did you look at the professional photography pics of the pit owners who went and blocked the viewing of the memorial display of dog victims in Michigan? I did. Most of the male dogs were not neutered. For whatever reason, a great many pit bull owners don’t want to spay or neuter their dogs. I’ve seen quite a few advertisements by people who are offering their pit bulls for breeding to make some beer money. What other dog breed owners do that? Asks to meet random peopleon the internet to breed their dog? You will never convince these people that they should spay or neuter. And there is something seriously wrong with these people.

            And it is morally bereft to claim that it’s OK to patch up people after-the-fact when an attack has achance to be prevented in the first place. Making a person “whole” again after an attack isn’t nearly as positive as preventing the attack altogether.

          • lynnf1954

            Why do you say most pitbull owners would not accept breed neutral laws? Did I not, and have I not been speaking of this? I don’t know why you use the word “pitnutters”. It makes you sound poorly educated and juvenile, and I know you are neither. At any rate, how do you know what we would accept? Have you polled them?
            Exactly how many pitbulls and owners did you see at that memorial? 5 million? 1 million? 30? Any dog from a rescue or a shelter is going to be neutered, up to date on their shots and licensed. I don’t have any documentation to say how many family pitbulls have been adopted from shelters, but all the dogs I know in my circle are NOT from breeders. They are from shelters or rescues. I just don’t understand how you, an educated person, can make these assumptions based on the actions of so few dogs. To say “most owners” as if you know them is a very random generalization, not what one would expect form one in your profession. And how many are “quite a few” advertisements for “beer money” (another stereotype)? Pages and pages? How many have bailed out after a dog attack? Do you have a number for us?
            I am very familiar with HIPAA’s requirements, all designed to protect a patient’s right to privacy and dignity. I don’t know why you would feel a need to add your take on it, as that unrelated to the complaint I voiced.
            Who ever said “it’s OK to patch up” anyone? If the ordinances I suggested, most of which are already on the books, are enforced everyone would be protected, not just potential pitbull victims.

          • I don’t know Lynn, were you engaged to speak on behalf of all pit bull owners? And the ones I take issue with are nutters – they complain about victims on Facebook pages and openly whine that they deserved their fate. I’m posting a screen cap of a woman who claims a child deserved to lose his ear. I’m also posting a screen cap made by a woman who rehabs fighting dogs – she was seriously mauled and gave them up, but not before she asked others to find a way to rehome them! What a fantastic idea – relocate dogs that mauled you to other people to pass the misery around……..

            I actually have more screen caps, if you can believe it. Again, do you know of any other dog breed advocates that do this? I also have screen caps of pit bull owners discussing how to get their dogs classed as fake service dogs, so they can keep them in their apartments. Fake service dogs – what an incredible insult to people who actually need a service dog legitimately. Do you have any plans to complain to the authorities about fake service dogs?

            I suggest you set up a google alert on pit bulls if you have the stomach for it – you will truly see how many owners refuse to accept responsibility for their dogs’ bites. Lots of news reports about pit bull owners leaving the scene of a
            mauling before police or ambulance can attend. And if you advertise that you need to breed a dog for extra cash or beer money, that is not a stereotype, it’s reality.

            The supposed pit bull advocates at the ArtPrize memorial came mostly from outside the area and many offered their dogs up for stud services or sell the dogs on their facebook pages. (Yes, I checked). They traveled from Muskegon county where pitbulls have to follow some regulations such as muzzling in public. A Kent County animal control officer was identified as one of the daily protestors. All in all, most people attending the memorial were shocked that this many people were getting killed by dogs, and that pitbulls were responsible for the bulk of the fatalites. Incidentally another fatality occurred after the event ended.. a Modesto Cailfornia man was killed while trying to protect his 90 year old mother from the neighbour’s pitbulls that had broken through a steel fence and entered their yard.

          • lynnf1954

            I must ask you again, as you were remiss to answer me before, how many? You have posted a screen shot of a crass remark about a poor child who lost his ear. Where is the rest of the exchange? Although the remark was not appropriate, what was said prior? Let’s have some context. I am familiar with the baiting and the nasty comments that are made by a few of your cohorts fighting for BSL. They are ignorant and much worse, remarking of bestiality and such. But Heather, I know they don’t speak for the majority of you. It would seem so, because some are so vile they overshadow the many well intentioned folk such as yourself. There are “rotten apples” in both our barrels, so to speak, who tend to ruin it for those of us who are responsible, but they are not the majority or even a full percentage point of the population. You must know of those proponents who are so over the top and ridiculous that they hurt your cause. Those that speak of pouring a bowl of antifreeze and luring the neighbor’s dog in because they can’t resist antifreeze. Hardly a humane euthanization technique, and I pray they are just talking out of bravado, that they are just keyboard warriors.
            As for the letter you posted, I would like to research that. I don’t recall any news stories regarding this horrific incident, and I do read of the attacks. I also get a little deeper into the circumstances that the “journalists” do, so I don’t take them at face value. Do you have a name to attach to that letter?
            I don’t have the time or the inclination to search through all the nasty postings I have read from the DBO cultists, but if you are so well versed in this subject I am sure you’ve seen them as well. I won’t post them here, but if you find it necessary I can get a few links to post. I don’t like double standards. I expect people to be civil and informed if they want to resolve a problem, on both sides. We all have a goal here, to protect people and pets. At least, I think that is our goal, is it not? What is your goal, Heather?

          • The names and the rest of the exchange (which span dozens of comments) are irrelevant and won’t be released. I do not publish the names of people in the screencaps I use in my blog either, unless they address me directly. I’m surprised that you, an advocate for privacy, is asking for names in the first place – especially since one of them was seriously injured. I’m sure that individual would not want their name to be made public and I agree with that.

            It must be obvious that the point of the screen cap that pertains to the attack is that aggressive pit bulls are being re-homed into communities where they should not be. If an experienced pit bull rehabber is attacked without provocation, then how will the average dog owner cope with these animals?

            Please also note that a squealing noise made by this person was what appeared set the dogs off. Rather like a prey animal would make when caught.

          • Jeff Bogkart

            blah blah blah that’s all i read from your posts, bulshit lies opinion and inuendos mixed with merritless smudged numbers?

          • Heads-up. 720 shares on my pit bull blog post (with more to follow) http://heatherclemenceau.wordpress.com/2014/07/27/dog-bites-man-again-and-again/

          • Jeff Bogkart

            your full of inuendos,opinions and lies baically and the fact that BSL is falling down tends to indicate everyone’s stopped listening to you and your fanatical freinds?

          • Bite me. BSL is a resounding success in Ontario. And pibble provacateurs can’t get rid of it either. Every bill is a resounding failure…

          • shadowraithe

            The pit bull lobby would rather spend time slandering a victim than talking about the #REALISSUE of dangerous dogs in unsuspecting neighborhoods. They dont want to accept that we dont want those dogs. Keep it relevant.

          • Jeff Bogkart

            what’s relevant is the “we” stands for 60,000 or so out of a population of over 80,000,000 so how about you try keeping it real??

          • Jeff Bogkart

            who chose the babysitter einstine?

          • “Einstine?” Just like all your other posts, this one looks like it was rejected from conspiracy theory forum. It doesn’t offer any actual
            information or a well argued viewpoint, just cuckoo bananas nonsense.

          • Joanna McGinn

            She’s a friend of the family… and had babysat numeroud other times… and she, like Jeff, had swallowed hook line and sinker the lies that Pit pushers ram down the throats of the public… in reality it’s people like you and other nutters that lie and are sociopathic that are the REAL responsible ones for the toddler’s death… and all the other deaths. YOU ARE RESONSIBLE FOR THE DEATHS AND MAIMINGS. LIKE IT OR NOT…. THAT IS THE TOTAL REALITY.

            This lady believed your lies and it cost her both arms….If you were human you’d shut up and go back under the rock you crawled out from under.

          • Joanna McGinn

            How about because that is what the babysitter called them and she got them as pups…but then we know now that Pit people don’t tell the truth

          • Mary Olson

            who is we mcginn? legislators..lawmakers..top professional canine organizations in the world disagree with you…can’t wait now to hear the big conspiracy theories.

          • Nevada Ames

            The babysitter’s dogs were PIT BULLS according to the babysitter. Who do you think has a better idea of what kind of dogs they are? The person who actually bought the dogs as puppies, knows the breeder, and owns the dogs, maybe?

            Animal care workers are frequently pressured to label pit bulls as other breeds, and many of them do (over 40% according to a recent study). They also make mistakes. Case in point, vet techs have listed my dog as a “sheltie” and a “border collie” even though she isn’t remotely similar to either one of those breeds.

            The public has had an opportunity to vote on pit bull restrictions exactly two times, and in both cases, the public supported pit bull restrictions by two to one. Maybe that will happen elsewhere and maybe not, but I hope cities and states put breed-specific legislation up to a public vote from now on instead of letting lobbyists call the shots largely behind closed doors. The public has a right to determine what kind of risks are acceptable in their community, not a selfish special interest group.

            What is your basis for accusing Jeff Bordchardt of “poisoning family pets?” Without any evidence, this statement is just more proof of what Perry wrote — some people will say anything, no matter how vile, if they think it will help them get their way.

          • lynnf1954

            The babysitter stated when interviewed by the police officer that she did not know their breed. She told him the first name of the person she got the puppies from, and described the parents of the dogs. In looking at them and from the sizes of the parents, they could well be a boxer-staffordshire cross. I am inclined toward the boxer parentage only because of the pronounced brindle, more common to boxers.
            I am providing the link: http://www.wivotersforcompanionanimals.com/blog/category/media-bias
            I know this link is an editorial, but a copy of the police report is included in the letter written to channel 58. If you will look at the supplementary report you can read what the sitter said.

          • Nevada Ames

            Good lord. Are you for real? The babysitter has gone on the record multiple times in the past year and a half since the incident to say that her dogs were PIT BULLS. She refers to them with no uncertainty as PIT BULLS. Yet you’re going to keep insisting that they weren’t? Especially when your sole basis for that is a statement made immediately after a traumatic event in which the babysitter was noted to be incoherent and exhibiting clear signs of trauma?

            Even if she didn’t know what breed they were at the time, does it not occur to you that she may have found out what they were?

            Also, “Staffordshire terrier” is an alternate name for the pit bull, so a “staffordshire cross” is in fact a pit bull cross.

            Here are photos of the dogs along with a detailed account of the attack: http://blog.dogsbite.org/2013/07/beyond-the-interview-essay-of-a-fatal-pit-bull-mauling.html

          • lynnf1954

            Good Lord, I was agreeing with you that they are a pit boxer cross. I am well aware that a Staffordshire is regarded as a pit. I have one! It is very difficult to have a rational conversation with someone who is so oppositional that if I say trees are green they are going to argue.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Your comment, “I was agreeing with you that they are a pit boxer cross.”

            Those are PIT BULLS. No “mix”.

          • lynnf1954

            Most pitbulls are a mix, Gabriel. I am pretty literate in the field of dogs, That’s why I said the brindle is more common to a boxer. But of course, a Keeshond is a member of the pitbull family, isn’t it? I bow to your greater knowledge, lol!

          • Gabriel Barros
          • lynnf1954

            Do you see the brindling? Not common to PIT BULLS! Or Keeshonds! I am typing this slowly because I know you can’t read fast.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Hey moron BRINDLE PIT BULL

            Brindle

            A brindle pit bull is one with a dark, yellowish-brown to gray coat that has darker streaks of color running through it. Brindle, along with fawn (light yellowish-brown), are two of the most common colors for pit bulls. Coat color is determined by several genes, each of which is found at a certain location (locus) of the dog’s genome and has at least two versions (alleles). The primary locus responsible for the brindle color is the dominant black K locus. The K locus has three alleles: K with “b” (black), K with “br” (brindle) and K with “y” (fawn). Black is dominant to brindle, while brindle is dominant to fawn. This means that a brindle pit bull is usually not descended from a black parent. If one parent is brindle and the other fawn, it has at least a 50-percent chance of being brindle. Two brindle pit bulls will always breed a brindle pup. The early breeders thus developed brindle pit bulls by breeding a brindle dog with another brindle or with a fawn dog.

            http://api.ning.com/files/wrTspeAfNS7meAB*jHIWR7QkCEr0OeuXmnkCrOB8HCuYU1NSSfWL74-kzjPuDSu5okX7okT1WeXJRbBHP7Z7Xe*vN1GNcNLR/shona232.jpg

          • lynnf1954

            Gabriel, sorry. In reading I see it is a familiar trait in a Staffordshire. My take was that dogs were sired by a boxer, which is frequently brindle, as the vet said they were a boxer mix. And before you get your panties in a bunch, YES THEY ARE NO LESS PIT BULLS! But not Keeshonds!

          • Gabriel Barros

            Fair enough.

          • Joanna McGinn

            thot you said they weren’t a breed.

          • Jeff Bogkart

            my neo mastiff great dane crosses look exactly ike that??

          • Gabriel Barros

            Are you that small you need a large monster dog to “protect” your tiny crotch? HUE HUE HUE!

          • Gabriel Barros

            If your “neo mastiff” looks like those pit bulls you were ripped off. These 2 killers are nothing more than garden variety pit bull dogs.

            Go get a refund for your “neo mastiff” HUE HUE HUE!

          • Jeff Bogkart

            she certainly has and the trouble is each time the stories differrent from the last and none of which are consistent with what was found at the scene?

          • Joanna McGinn

            YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT READ THE REPORTS ONLY ‘what people tell you’… because NOTHING is further from the truth… I’ve read that from the very beginning… each cover of the event clearly states they were Pit Bulls. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean it’s not true… you just can’t handle it for some reason.

            You listen not to discover, but to find something that confirms
            your own thoughts.

            You argue, not to find the truth, but to vindicate your thinking.

            Anthony de Mello, S.J.

          • Mary Olson

            and what do you think you are doing mcginn? that quote makes you the pot calling the kettle black..

          • Jeff Bogkart

            so sussan is the one pitbull owner in the history of the world that you beleive and we all know why,, because she changed her story from “i don’t know what breed they are” to they’re pitbulls?

          • Lisa Camuso

            so, the babysitter lied to her town when she registered the dogs…typical of a woman with a legthy criminal record, including drug charges…

          • Nevada Ames

            Oh please.

            Pit bull lobbyists openly encourage people to lie about a pit bull’s breed in order to get around restrictions, make the dogs more appealing to adopters, etc. A significant percentage of people do. A recent study found that 41% of shelter workers admitted they would mislabel pit bulls as other breeds.

            The FACT is that Susan Iwicki, the babysitter, has repeatedly stated on the record in multiple venues that her dogs were PIT BULLS. So who are you going to listen to? A piece of paper? Or the living breathing person who owned the dogs and witnessed the entire attack?

            Your repeated attempts to deflect attention away from the dogs and onto the backgrounds of the VICTIMS is completely irrelevant (and truly vile, I might add). I’ll let it speak for itself.

          • Lisa Camuso

            exactly!

          • Phillipgalloway

            You don’t have the right to blame thousands if not millions of innocent people and their pets. He does have the right to blame the baby sitter and her dogs. His rights stop right goddamn there.

          • Joanna McGinn

            got news for you… 36 this year have joined Jeff Borchardt’s son… 30 that year and 41 the year before Dax was killed by PBs… PBs that he thought… thanks to the liars like you Phillipgalloway… were perfecty safe and normal dogs… which they most certainly are not.

            Perhaps the the worst is those who survive… years of surgeries, loss of limbs, stares and ridicule… not to mention the vile Pit nutters who threaten them with violence like death and rape. Add to that, the vicitims have to pay for the damages that Pits inflict on innocent people and animals…less than 2% of the victims ever receive any sort of compensation or restitution.

            THAT is the kind of wretched cretins Pit owners are…

          • Lisa Camuso

            that’s not enough to be proactive, old lady….the pro-bully breed people posting here have done more to promote and guarantee public safety than your stale blue shirt, your fireworks salesman and You…congratulations on doing nothing.

        • shadowraithe

          Im lmao at you! This is exactly what the journalist is talking about. You crazy pit owners just making stuff up that is ridiculous and trying to smokescreen the issue by attacking the victims. You have no shame.

          • Phillipgalloway

            His record is out there all you have to do is look for it. Convection for possession with intent to deliver in a school zone and twice arrested and convicted of driving while intoxicated. He wants to blame everyone that has owned a pit bull at some time in their lives for the death of his son …I say if he can do that we should all blame him for the 50 thousand plus lives lost to drunk drivers in the two separate years he was convicted for driving drunk…now do you want talk about all the kids he caused to be addicted to drugs?

          • bslftw

            No one but you guys give a crap about his record or yours. We are talking about a dangerous breed of dog that we do NOT want in our neighborhood. You pit bull lobbyists are desperately trying to change the direction of a public narrative and debate regarding pit bulls. You are as dense and persistent as a pit bully in your own bullying of victims speaking out. I have a news flash. We aint taking it anymore. #WONTBACKDOWN, get it? We dont want your stinkin dogs in our communities. They DONT BELONG IN CIVILIZED neighborhoods. I you wanna be some kind of gangsta and have a flippin dog that could go psycho at the drop of a hat, please move to an island off the coast of a distant land.because we are not going to be deterred EVER until the public is fully awakened to the dangers. Believe me Im seeing a change in my neighbors, friends and family in the past year. They may not be talking but they sure are rethinking how STUPID you list of myths are. NANNY DOG? Puhlease, gag me with a break stick. Racial profiling? Im lmbo at the desperation and ignorance that has gone on for too long. You guys have had the wool pulled over peoples eyes but the word is getting out, pit bulls are making the case for us. The media is contacting us. 2015 will be another year we gain ground in this war against dangerous dogs. See you then. PS the word is conviction, not convection. You can go to dictionary.com and look it up, just like you did in school, if you ever attended.

          • Phillipgalloway

            Actually sunshine you’re correct about one thing…the word is getting out but not in the way you believe. BSL has not had any new passages in over a year. Several towns have just recently come to their senses and realized that only a very small lunatic fringe wants Breed Discriminatory Legislation in their neighborhoods, sent BSL down to the big septic tank where all such perversions belong.
            So what, sunshine I missed spelled a word. Apparently you were able to decipher my meaning…have a gold star. LOL You might want to do a bit of proof reading yourself sweetness before you complain very much…

          • Jeff Bogkart

            it’s long winded fact deficient rants like this that identify all the foamer fanatics to the general public pls continue the good work for us!! lol

          • Gabriel Barros

            Journal of Interpersonal Violence

            Volume 21 Number 12 December 2006

            Ownership of High-Risk (“Vicious”) Dogs as a Marker for Deviant Behaviors

            Implications for Risk Assessment

            “The analysis revealed that owners of HR (high risk) dogs had significantly more criminal convictions and traffic citations in all categories except crimes involving children.”

            “Professionals such as child and adult protection investigators, law enforcement officers, pediatricians and medical practitioners, home visiting professionals, domestic violence investigators, and public health nurses may find it useful to be informed about the breed and specific behaviors of the dogs that share the environment with their clients. First, be aware that the dog breed, ESPECIALLY OWNING A PIT BULL, MAY BE A RISK MARKER.”

          • Jeff Bogkart

            FYI if you all are the majority then all these articles on goggle search must be fabrications, lies. photoshopped!! lol!! PTF=pity the fools and we do!
            About 17,500,000 results (0.39 seconds)

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        • Jan Smith

          The only one ‘drinking the kool-aid’ here is you. Anyone reading this article won’t have to look far to find shining examples of the exact type of behavior being written about.

          • Phillipgalloway

            I never said anything about kool-aid. I said kook aid and I see you’ve been imbibing just a tad in it yourself

          • Jan Smith

            Since your comments are so intelligent it was difficult to tell if you were trying to be clever or just don’t know how to type 😉

          • Phillipgalloway

            Same to ya darlin.

        • Joanna McGinn

          OMG you may not be the most worthless piece of poop but a radical liar and sociopath bordering on psychopath…. and yes I have he degrees and creds to state this…

          • Randy Bosley

            ahh haha those ‘credentials’ are so old, they’re not even worth the paper they’re printed on. In fact, they’re used as a history lesson of what not to teach.

      • Jeff Bogkart

        unlike boofhead burpup who is a convicted drug dealer and drunk driver with pedophylic tendencies and even beastiality fantasies and the there’s the murderer fellloooossi, and pame breaching the trust and confidence of patients/ should i continue?

      • Joanna McGinn

        Just so we can be certain that we are using the CORRECT terms for sociopath… here’s the real authority definition.

        The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV-TR) is another widely used tool for the diagnosis and it defines sociopath traits as:

        A) Pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:

        Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest

        Deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure

        Impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead

        Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults

        Reckless disregard for safety of self or others

        Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations

        Lack of remorse as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

        B) The individual is at least age 18 years.

        C) There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.

        D) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or a manic episode.

      • heather

        Some people in your circles have criminal backgrounds too, how ironic is that?

    • Sandy Chlubna

      Pit bull owners: In your statement you have called them “mentally handicapped” (apologies to all the cognitively disabled people out there), “monster dogs”, “threatening” “Pit nuts”, “anti-American”, “evil”, “fringe”, “angry”. From what I am reading you seem to be the one with anger issues.

      • Mary Ann Redfern

        A lot of people do not like pit bull terriers OR their violently inclined owners. A LOT OF PEOPLE. You just have to get over it and move on since you CANNOT CHANGE IT.

        • Jeff Bogkart

          the fact is we are the majority and you maryann are one of the rudest and most outrageous lying abusers i’ve ever had the misfortune to encounter, you provoke people and then block them and bad mouth them when they can’t reply much like boofhead does?? have a lovely day psycho chicken!! lol!

      • Bob Rtarp

        dealing with troglodytes like you would make gandi angry. you don’t care about humans getting killed or maimed. When faced with articles of unprovoked attacks on children people like you blame the victims. your sick love of a dangerous fighting breed animal comes before our safety and the safety of all our loved ones. We the majority are tired of you low lifes and we will not tolerate you any longer.

        • Jeff Birdcart

          wow you guys take every available opportunity to run your pre determined scripts all militantly chiming in with your descriptive adjectives and the “standard” foamer comments,, we’re not the ones causing bsl to fall down it’s your fanatically inclined techniques, even the average Joe can spot a fanatic from a mile away and that’s exactly what we have here i think?? and as i said to maryann your crowing about winning a vote involving a little over a hundred thousands people ? there’s over 80 million residents in USA?

          • shadowraithe

            Got one more for you. #wontbackdown. Shove it because the opposition is growing and the flashpoint will come.

          • “Pawtucket Rhode Island update. Pawtucket was insisting that they had the right to retain their ban in spite of the newly passed state law against breed discriminatory laws. A judge has ruled that is not the case.” BSL is falling! Keep on dancing.

          • Jeff Bogkart

            can’t wait for tom petty to sue boofhead for using his song without permission??

          • Jan Smith

            What are you hiding from? Why don’t you use your real name when you make comments supporting dogs that kill? Pit bullies love to claim that we use fake names, and yet here you are mocking a grieving father by using a parody of his name. Why should anyone take a single thing you say seriously when you mock someone with a dead child and promote the very animals that killed that child?

          • Jeff Bogkart

            Dax was killed by “boxers” according to vet techs?? and boofhead is making more victims every day with his lies and mis information, can you point out for me where in the “trauma” care manual it recommends that a 14 month old child that has been attacked by 2 dogs be left “naked, terribly injured, on a hardwood floor in winter, struggling and gasping for every breathe ALONE while Sussan was on the phone”? the fact is Sussan has told 3 differrent versions of what happened and none of them make sense?? for instance first she said the female dog grabbed dax out of her arms and attacked him and then she said the female dog knocked her over and she “dropped” dax and the male attacked him?? and then there’s the phone?? was her pocket torn off and the phone dropped or not?? and finally according to Sussan the dogs attacked when she let them out of the pen, (family well loved pets don’t live in cages darl mmmk), if this is in actual fact the case why were all Dax’s clothes in the pen??? too many things don’t make sense and coupled with witnesses hearing screaming but not once was the word HELP used???

        • Phillipgalloway

          That’s rich coming from the likes of you, Bob Carp. I read your line about parking in handicap parking because the “gimps” had plenty of other spaces they could park. I’ve been saying for a long time now that people who hate a particular “type” of dog don’t let their hate stop at dogs they also hate certain other peoples because of looks or in your case handicaps…..

        • Jeff Bogkart

          LOL true fanatical style?

    • Mary Ann Redfern

      But no one wants them and their pit bulls in OUR neighborhoods either is the problem. Maybe they should have an island all to themselves and their “pets”. Wonder how long it would take for that to become an island of just a few wild dogs????

      • Jeff Birdcart

        you’ll have to let us all know maryann as you all will be there?? the island that is because this grotty foamer rag means zip in the big picture, just over 100,000 people voted in a population of over 80 million?? i’m not good with percentages but i reckon the win for bsl in aurora means bugger all in the scheme of things don’t you think? ,, at least by this morons story they’ve come out and exposed themselves as the foamers we all thought they were?? sentinel, don’t ecpect anyone to take you serious?? oh and maryann the crack about you being on the island was about being part of a minority and not a personal insult in anyway so pls spare the firy tongued response normally involved with your replies? hust saying? blinkety blink??

      • Jeff Bogkart

        maybe we should ship you and your 20 or so hater mates pretending to be the majority to an island somewhere then we’d all be much much safer??

    • Jeff Birdcart

      do you have aggression issues?? a recent survey revealed 84% of people poled thought the goverrnment should not interfere with a persons choice of pets? the american bar association gives the thumbs down??
      no one legitimate animal organization supports it?? no where in the world has it worked if so pls feel free to drop a link so i can see for myself, but the only people supporting bsl are fanatics like dogsbut?

      • johnny
        • Jeff Birdcart

          More Facts About BSL & Calgary

          SEPTEMBER 7, 2013 14 COMMENTS

          An upcoming municipal election and a recent headline have reignited calls this week for pit bull bans in both Calgary and Osoyoos, BC.

          In Osoyoos, the local newspaper was kind enough to print a letter to the editor that I wrote them while I was there on vacation and came across an inflamatory, factually incorrect editorial avocating a pit bull ban after an incident there. You can read my reply here, but unfortunately I can’t find the original editorial online.

          The most recent Calgary incident is interesting because intervening in a fight between two dogs caused a child to get bit (not seriously – thankfully everyone is okay). The media, both CTV and CBC articles, have made it very clear that the dog that bit the child was a pit bull (“pit bull” is said 5 times in about 150 words in the linked article). The details of what caused the child to be bit – the preceding dog fight – are not discussed, including the breed of the other dog, which dog instigated the fight, or the fact that the owners of both dogs clearly did not have control of their animals. Yes, it was an off-leash space, but control is still required by Calgary by-law.

          Update: 660 News has printed this clarification that the child was not bit by the dog at all and injuries were sustained from falling from the carrier. I doubt this clarification will receive the widespread publication the original “pit bull” headlines got – that is, if all news organizations make the correction.

          In Calgary, dog bites accounts are rising. That is true. That’s bound to happen as a population increases, but it does seem to have grown disporportionately since 2009. Still, our city – and our responsible pet ownership model – still boasts the lowest bite-per-population ratio in North America, so we’re doing something right.

        • Jeff Birdcart

          Monday, August 11, 2014

          Kerry Vinson Revisits The Ontario Dog Owner’s Liability Act

          In 2011 I wrote an article for the Toronto Pet Daily on the Ontario Dog Owner’s Liability Act, in which I pointed out that the 2005 amendments to this Act had resulted in many injustices to both dogs and their owners throughout the Province. Now three years later I have been asked to write a follow-up article to see if the situation has changed or improved for Ontarians and their dogs. Having been involved in the original 2006 court challenge to the DOLA amendments (as an Expert Witness) I am in a unique position of being privy to the provincial government’s motivation and rationale at the time to implement this legislation, and due to my continuing involvement in numerous DOLA-related court cases since then I have been able to monitor the consequences of this law.

          With this in mind, I want to report to the people of Ontario who are not dog owners that (1) you are not any safer from the possibility of a dog bite as a result of the legislation, and (2) if you own a dog you are at an increased risk of suffering many legal and financial consequences even though these may be completely unjustified. How can this be, you may wonder, wasn’t the purpose of the 2005 amendments to reduce a growing problem of bites in Ontario from certain breeds of dogs identified as dangerous? According to the same government that passed the legislation and is still in power, their Act has been successful. Let’s cut away all of the political posturing and look at what actually has happened since then:

          Firstly, although many dog bites go unreported and province-wide statistics are poorly kept, all indications are that the number of bites in Ontario has remained fairly constant since 2005 before the legislation was passed.

          Secondly, the 2005 rationale of the amendments and the introduction of Breed Specific Legislation was to remove the risk of bites from certain breeds (identified by sensationalized media reports and not any scientific basis whatsoever) as being more dangerous than other dogs. This concept was completely discredited by every qualified expert in canine behaviour who testified at the “sham” hearings conducted by the government at the time, but all of these bona fide experts were completely ignored when formulating BSL. More on this in a moment.

          Thirdly and finally, there has been a significant increase in lawsuits against dog owner’s relating to the wording of the Act that specifies a dog doesn’t actually have to bite someone for its owner to be charged, it only has to appear to be menacing to someone. This has allowed virtually anyone who is afraid of dogs or doesn’t like dogs, or who doesn’t like their neighbor who owns a dog, to launch a lawsuit which is supported by the language of the Act. Needless to say that what may appear to be a dog engaging in normal, non-aggressive barking can be interpreted by someone else as exhibiting menacing behaviour, whether it is or not. It is a totally subjective concept; nonetheless, personal injury attorneys in Toronto are now publicly advertising for people who have been “menaced” by a dog to contact them. I have been personally involved in some cases where the awards being sought are not only in the thousands of dollars, but over a million dollars; and have seen many dog owners lives turned into a living nightmare. The language of the Act infers that dog owners are guilty as charged unless they can prove themselves to be innocent – a complete reversal of our concept of fairness under the law.

          • johnny

            The menacing dog part does sound weird, but both laws have reduced injuries!!!

    • Fed up

      Sounds an awful lot like some gun nuts

      • Bob Rtarp

        I have guns 🙂 let your frankenmauler loose around my family and see what happens 🙂 I love this weak ass correlation the pit nutters try to make regarding guns and normal feeling people trying to make our neighborhoods safe by raising awareness about a dangerous breed of animal. Last time I checked my gun didnt jump out of my kitchen window, dig under or jump my fence, rip through a screen door to attack and kill a child. No my gun is exactly where I left it , in my gun safe. You pitbull advocates really are a dumb evil bunch of troglodytes .

        • Phillipgalloway

          Why is it you claim to be for people but call the handicapped gimps? I’ve found that people that hate certain typoes of dogs don’t limit their hate to dogs they also hate certian people. That’s you my friend. Have a nice day skinhead.

        • Jeff Bogkart

          your gun was obviously stored properly but spare a thought for the parents and families of the roughly 8’000 children that are killed amd maimed by unsecure guns on average each year ?? but you keep getting your knickers in a knot about the 20 or so involved in fatal dog attacks each year, oh and fyi einstine it’s nonsence to compare an inanimate object to anything living??

          • Bob Rtarp

            again and I will type slowly. guns don’t jump up and kill kids on their own but pit bulls do. if my gun ever jumps out of my safe and starts shooting kids, I will get rid of it and push for a ban on guns. This isn’t going to happen because guns don’t kill people, people kill people. find an argument that makes sense or you can just call me racist, ignorant or just a skinhead filled with hate. losers.

          • Jeff Bogkart

            type as slowly as you want dickhead comparing guns to dogs is ridiculous so knock yourself out it only makes you look more of a boofhead!

    • Jeff Bogkart

      considering your vote included just over 100,000 voters compared to an overall population of 80,000,000 or so, i’d say you are the “minority” and coupled with the fact that the Aurora vote actually went against the trend with BSL being repealed and outlawed?? lol!! but you go on believing you are the majority, i must warn you though no matter how many times you repeat it ? that won’t make it true, a lie is a lie and a monkey dressed in silk is a monkey no less?

    • Joanna McGinn

      Yes these dangerous dogs do excite them in a way that turn normal people off and make them puke. Having worked and taught in juvenile corrections with kids who bred them along with their families… and often mom, dad, granddad and uncles were or had been in the corrections system as well, bred these dogs which never received vet care… no vaccinations… which means when they bit, along with the stitches, surgeries, rehab, learning to use prosthtics for missing limbs, these victims must also undergo the painful anti-rabies protocols.

      Now please tell me why their desire to own a dangerous type of dog trumps the normal citizen’s RIGHT to safe and peaceful environment.

  • Kirsten Holcomb

    I guess the editorial section doesn’t require any actual facts as this entire piece appears to be nothing more than the ignorant, unresearched media hype that now passes for journalism. Very sad

    • separationcs

      Prove ANYTHING you just posted.

      • Kirsten Holcomb

        Did I state anything as a fact? No I did not unlike the “journalist” that wrote an article with several statistics and percentages that if written correctly would have sources cited as to the information. If you would like to read my statement again I clearly said this entire piece appears to be…which means I do not know it for a fact and have a good enough grasp of the english language to use it correctly unlike the person who wrote this article.

        • Susan DeVilder

          You did state several facts. You said it was unresearched and media hype, but offer no proof of either.

          • Kirsten Holcomb

            Susan again I said it appears….learn to read. As the author cited no sources I have no way of knowing if it was researched.

        • separationcs

          So, you just took up space to ‘hear’ yourself….you add nothing to the discussion.

    • lynnf1954

      That’s why it’s an editorial. It’s an opinion.

  • Gail L Rosbach

    One has to wonder why they seem to keep pushing Pit Bulls on people that clearly don’t want them. If they are so adamant about keeping their Pit Bulls, they should move to one of the 19 States that very stupidly allowed the new State Law that says they cannot write legislation against any certain breed of dog. You know, the one that is written by Animal Farm Association, who also funds the passage of the law. In those States the laws are now written to protect the Pit Bull. Nice for the Pit Bull, but hell for the people who live there and had no say in this law. In fact, most people are not even aware of this nonsense law that was passed behind their backs. They don’t know about it usually until they have some kind of negative encounter with a Pit Bull and they call a lawyer or look to Animal Control or the courts for help. they then find out that very little, or nothing can be done. Anyway, I am sure the Pit Bullies would find one of these States more to their liking. They have 19 to choose from.

    • AJ

      Simple. Because many of the pit bull advocates are sociopaths who are very misanthropic. They don’t care if pitbulls maul children, adults, etc. Because we’re HUMANS. And as they all “know”, humans are the cause of all animal suffering, esp. that of pit bulls. That’s why until she was prohibited from doing so on Etsy, a pit bull supporter was making a good living selling stickers that read “Euthanize people, not pit bulls”.

      • lynnf1954

        I don’t think you can document that most pit owners are sociopaths. Do you have a source?

        • I don’t know about the majority of them, but they certainly have more than their fair share of the selfish and entitled. Thankfully, people can still be kicked out of communities where they put their dog over and above children. Probably not too many chihuahua owners have to pack up their belongings in the middle of the night because they’ve been evicted.

          http://www.katu.com/communities/longview/boy-bitten-by-pit-bull-gets-infection-owners-still-wont-give-dog-up-492485-198343611.html

          “LONGVIEW, Wash;The owners of a vicious pit bull that took a huge chunk out of a little boy’s leg are still hiding the dog, and now the 5-year-old victim is suffering even more simply because of the owners’ ongoing refusals to turn the animal over.

          Police cannot legally arrest the owner, Kimberly Vasquez,
          because she won’t turn over the dog, but the investigating officer said he’s going to the Cowlitz County prosecutor Wednesday morning asking that felony charges, including forgery, be filed against her.

          Meanwhile, the little boy’s mother is more frustrated by her neighbor’s refusal to give up the dog. It seems like they don’t care; said Susan who didn’t want to be identified.

          Her family is still shaken by the attack and the huge chunk taken out of her 5-year-old boy’s leg. And Vasquez, who animal control officers say is the dog’s owner, still refuses to tell Susan or anyone else where the dog is.”

          • lynnf1954

            Yes Heather, we know there are some, just as there are “some” rapists, “some” serial killers, “some” pedophiles, but as you said, certainly not the majority. As for “our fair share of selfish and entitled”, have you read the news at all lately? Not just pitbull news, but real national news. The entire HUMAN RACE has its share of selfish and entitled. And you know perfectly well that I was asking AJ for any empirical documentation to back up his, or her, statements. I also see that he, or she, conveniently has not responded. I am not surprised, as, when I ask for documentation to back up a statement, there is a deafening silence.

          • The morality of the entire human race is not really up for discussion here though, is it? The question you need to ask yourself is why there are so many pit bull owners who display such blatant disregard for others. Once you understand that you will know why all these people and their dogs are data points that become statistics, which then prompt the implementation of laws.

          • lynnf1954

            How many is so many, Heather? You’ve provided one instance. Keep in mind there are over 5 million pitbulls in the US, so please tell me how many owners are irresponsible. 4 million? 3 million? 60? As for the state of the human race, I would think you, as a clinician, would understand the relationship as most pitbull owners are part of the human race. So, yes, I believe there is a direct relationship between the two.

          • How many are irresponsible but fate hasn’t yet caught up with them? Did you not read the Dogmen article and the link from Psychology today? From that I think you can make a rough extrapolation…

          • Heather? What exactly do you do for a living? How did you extrapolate that by looking at felons and animal abusers verses pet owners? Were there corresponding studies to compare to? What modeling was used? Who did the study? How would we know it’s statistically significant? P value? What is the cohort size? Who is “no one?” Are you attributing an action to an entire population? A message point is not a scientific conclusion.

          • Mary Ann Redfern

            Dog seller trying to seem important. Laughable.

          • Good lord Mary! You really know nothing about us at all. It’s almost hysterical.

          • Why is my occupation of any relevance to you? If you have a problem with any of the studies, think the P-values are misused, or suspect that the studies were subject to experimental error, then please go ahead and specify exactly how they are flawed.

          • Because you remind us of a pseudo scientist. That’s why it’s relevant. The studies you’ve posted are poorly done and did you identify a P-value? That fact you won’t answer any of those questions is a very clear indication of your understanding of the studies, the modeling, what the issues and bias are and why they actually don’t tell us much at all about owners of dog breeds or social behaviors. These studies are simplistic in their methods and flawed as flawed as Merritt’s data and stats. Again, how can you extrapolate a social paper about felons who abuse dogs and pet owners? Bridge the gap. We’re on pins and needles to hear how you justify it.

          • As I said, since you are the one playing amateur epidemiologist, why don’t you outline your specific issues with these or any other studies? You have the philosophic burden of proof (since you seem to suggest there is something remiss about them) so once again, it’s not my responsibility to prove your point or research your position.

          • It’s OK Heather. We realized a moment ago that you’re in over your academic head on this one. We won’t expect you to defend your position. Just a secret…we’re not amateurs. 😉 We also don’t have the burden of proof. You presented a statement and we asked you to justify it. That’s how it works when defending a position in academia (especially research). You still haven’t answered and now we understand why.

          • Then please, show us the degree of your expertise. Go ahead. We’re all waiting for your expert analysis. Right now you’ve simply tried to discredit the studies and left it at that. I see now why you’re referred to as a dog breeder.

          • Again, diverting because you got caught over your head. It’s OK Heather, we see that happen a lot with people who have no real background in research or epi. You won’t defend your statement about how one would extrapolate a position based on a paper because you simply don’t know how. We’re sure you could show us how to mount tissue slides though (seriously, path and histopath is cool stuff). But it’s not research by any stretch. So you go ahead and defend your position since we asked first and then we’ll go ahead and point out where you’re wrong. If you have worked in research, what you know is that the protocol is she who states the position, justifies first. Calling us “dog breeders” as an insult of some strange sort, does not make your lack of experience less obvious. It’s cute and obvious, but kinda sad.

          • I’m bemused by your continued belief that most people are somehow going to be sucked-in by your attempts to bring my occupation into the argument. But I’m still holding out hope that you’ll come up with some rationale for claiming that these studies, or any canine behavioural study that doesn’t support your view of pibbles, is misleading, exaggerated, or flat-out wrong.

            While scientific studies don’t take the place of a detailed analysis of a person’s psyche and actual behavioural history, there is more than enough available research that establishes that the owners of high-risk dogs are statistically more likely to have the traits
            and engage in the behaviour described in the studies. Furthermore, the studies you would like to claim as questionable all contribute to existing bodies of knowledge re: criminal behaviour and aggressive dog ownership.

            So your appeal to authority (your own) is just braggadocio. Trying to commit a half-a$$ed character assault hardly advances your position, but keep telling yourself that it does while you pimp out aggro dogs.

          • Such a long winded non-response.

            Some words from a thesaurus and some from the urban dictionary. It adds flair but still, no ability to answer the question.

          • Did anyone hear a noise? I thought for a minute I heard an ineffectual wanna-troll making an impotent, lame ad hominem capped off with an irrelevancy.

          • We thought we heard that too! It would appear it’s you. Otherwise why resort to all of the insults and not just answer the question? If you truly understand research science, then you know that the onus is on that person who declares to know the study to defend it. We would’ve actually loved to have had the discussion with you.

          • I thought it was your flatulence actually. But It’s a law of logic. The burden of proof is always on the person making an assertion or proposition. Shifting the burden of proof, a special case of argumentum ad ignorantium, is the fallacy of putting the burden of proof on the person who denies or questions the assertion being made. The source of the fallacy is the assumption that something is true unless proven otherwise. You claim the studies are flawed? Go ahead and refute any of the studies, if you can.

            In the meantime, take a break from the soapbox and try taking a philosophy course or something.

          • Big words and insults? Are we speaking of philosophy or science Heather? Clearly you’ve taking lower division logic classes but do you want to discuss the research? Let us know when you have something to add besides multi-syllabic words that actually do nothing but try and distract from the fact you have no idea how to discuss scientific findings.

          • If you are going to argue badly, why bother to do it at all? The only way you can show there is something deficient about any of the referenced studies here is by proving that (1) the conclusion is not true, (2) that the evidence is not true, or (3) that the evidence is insufficient to justify the conclusion. At this point you’ve only demonstrated that your posts are redundant.

          • And you have demonstrated your lackluster understanding of research principles. Please keep writing.

          • Keep dancin’ (around the issue).

          • Ahhh…Pathology assistant. You understand what we’re asking right? We don’t want our questions to go above your research experience and understanding. We apologize. We thought you had a research background. You could still give it your best shot though. But now it makes sense why you think those are valid studies with merit.

          • We? As in the royal “we?” What an act of ironic pomposity. You’re we-ing all over the place (I thought something smelled funny).

          • lynnf1954

            Heather, you provided no links. More importantly, Your question bears some discussion about your life view. You are speaking of human nature and free will. Every one of us has a choice to do good or to do wrong. We make our fates, dogs don’t. Fate is simply the odds. If you engage in criminal behavior long enough, odds are you’ll get caught. I wonder how many criminals just haven’t been caught yet. And I wonder how many of them own pitbulls. Does owning a pitbull determine whether one will engage in criminal behavior? Is it a requirement? I have owned these dogs for over 30 years, but I have never had so much as a speeding ticket. None of the people I know who rescue and adopt pits have ever seen the inside of a police station. I know a lot of people with pits, all family dogs. None of those dogs has turned any of us into criminals. If you decimate pitbulls and the many you all throw under that very large “pitbull umbrella”, do you think they will not be replaced with another big dog?
            I wonder how much good in life you miss because of your fears. I gain much knowledge from reading and research, but I also get out and experience life. Bad things have happened, but the good has definitely outweighed the bad.

          • I hope you will put your reading glasses on then, because for someone who alleges that she has gained so much knowledge by reading, you’re unable to find the links I’ve posted.

            You should resist the urge to constantly bring up other people’s lives. It’s irrelevant, and quite frankly, quite desperate.

        • Mary Ann Redfern

          I’m typing a post to it.

        • HarveMorgan

          LOL, it’s pretty obvious that they are, one doesn’t need a source, just look at the comments here supporting the continuing carnage of pits.

          • lynnf1954

            There are over 5 million pitbulls and their mixes owned in the US currently. How many have you read of this year? Have 3 million been in the news? 2 million? 200? My pits, those that I have adopted for over 30 years have never caused bloodshed, nor have those of my friends. And I am a professional that has raised a family, and have never even received a traffic ticket. All of those pits you have NEVER read about in the news are being raised by responsible people as family members. Too bad good news doesn’t sell copy. If so you would read about many of them.

          • HarveMorgan

            So what? We, in this country, do try to prevent. Laws about drinking and driving. Not all drivers drink, but we don’t think of it as punishment to have those laws. Your problem is you perceive it as punishment rather than helping people and pits. You have no morality in your soul if you can’t see what needs to be done.

      • Mary Ann Redfern

        I remember that. I helped get that removed also, AJ.

      • Yes and one of your dear supporters was auctioning off a doll covered with blood on ebay. What is your point? That there is insanity in outliers. That’s not news.

  • AJ

    I keep telling people the pit bull owners are sick, demented wastes of oxygen for the most part. Maybe now they will see.

    • pitty bull

      LOL , shut up idiot .

      • HarveMorgan

        Now you see the extent of a pit bull owner’s education, alive and well in pitty bull.

        • pitty bull

          You are phonier than a nine dollar bill loser .

          • HarveMorgan

            Sorry, but the Aurora vote showed the world who the real losers are. LOL

          • pitty bull

            Wow Aurora actually means nothing to me to be honest . To be so driven mentally by pit bulls is a bit of a problem lady .

    • lynnf1954

      Because of 9 unpleasant responses we are all sick and demented?

      There are over 5 million pitbulls and their mixes in the US currently,
      according to Merritt Clifton’s estimate of 6% of the dog population. As
      of the last census that asked families if they were dog owners, there
      are 77,500,000 dogs claimed by families. How many have you read of in
      the news this year? Any death or mauling is a tragedy, regardless of
      the circumstances and my heart breaks for anyone who loses a loved one
      to violence. But it should be obvious that most of these dogs, if they
      have not made the news, are members of millions of families who are
      responsible. I have rescued and adopted pits and mixes for over 30
      years, raised them with my children, foster children and now
      grandchildren and have never had bloodshed. We have always had multiple
      dogs, as well as rescued cats, and they have all done well living
      together in the house. I currently have 3, and they happily herd the
      animals and grandchildren that free range on my little farm. I trust my
      dogs with my grandchildren much more than I rust most people.
      Please
      don’t tar us all with the same brush, as most of us are quite civilized
      and have no interest in promoting your stereotype by threatening and
      cursing. If the editor has only been offended by 9 out of how many
      owners(?) I would think they were the aberration, not the norm. I am
      sorry for their behavior, but most of us do not mirror that or condone
      it. We prefer education and training our dogs to be positive
      representatives of this type of dog.

    • Sandy Chlubna

      I am fostering 2 pittie mixes currently. I own and operate The Feathered Star B & B, a pet friendly bed and breakfast. I am a business owner, mother, and contributing member of society. Neither I, nor I’m sure my friends consider me sick, demented or a waste of oxygen.

  • AJ

    There is a certain type of person that is usually drawn to these dogs. When the pit advocates scream, “Its the owner, not the dogs!” they have a point. But not in the way they think.

    • lynnf1954

      And could you post a link for that information as well?

      • http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/canine-corner/200903/psychological-characteristics-owners-high-risk-aggression-dog-breeds

        “A total of 166 owners of high risk dogs were compared with 189 owners of low risk dogs. The high risk dog owners had nearly 10 times more criminal convictions than other dog owners. Breaking the data down by categories of criminal behavior they found that high risk dog owners were 6.8 times more likely to be convicted of an aggressive crime, 2.8 times more likely to have carried out a crime involving children, 2.4 times more likely to have perpetrated domestic violence, and 5.4 times more likely to have an alcohol related conviction when compared to low risk dog owners.

        Since criminal behaviors are most often associated with particular
        personality patterns it was inevitable that some researchers would take the next step and determine if ownership of dog breeds that were considered to be high risk for aggression is associated with particular personality characteristics as well. Sure enough, a psychologist, Laurie Ragatz, led a team of researchers from West Virginia University and they have recently published their study in The Journal of Forensic Sciences.

        In the West Virginia study data was collected data from 869 college students who completed an anonymous online questionnaire. It asked them about the type of dog that they owned, their history of criminal behaviors and attitudes towards animal abuse. In addition it took some measures of their personality including any some measures that are often associated with psychopathic tendencies. It’s only a correlational study but the results are thought provoking.

        The first thing to note is that this recent research seems to confirm the earlier study by the Cincinnati team. A significant difference in
        criminal behavior was found based on dog ownership type. Owners of high risk dog breeds were significantly more likely to admit to violent criminal behavior, compared to large dog owners, small dog owners, and people who did not own dogs. The high risk dog breed owner sample also reported that they engaged in more types of criminal behavior compared to all other participant groups of criminal behavior (i.e., violent, property, drug, and status).”

      • This article is also very revealing – Dogmen – The Rationalization of Deviance

        https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_TQhn0TrPSbYkdBejJKMzNqcjA/edit

        • Revealing of what? What does that have to do with your average pit bull owner? Care to try and bridge that gap?

          • Why don’t you read it?

          • We have as we have read all the other papers. Have you though Heather? Because what that paper is describes animal abusers and people who commit horrible atrocities for sport. That is not who a pit bull owner is. That is who a dog fighter is. Again, want to bridge the gap for us?

          • Suzanne567

            You denounce the dog fighters while aiding and abetting their abuse and exploitation of the dogs. It’s a pretty intriguing phenomena. Hey, at least it drives the books into the red every month, so you got that… ???

          • Do you all actually believe that? Seriously do you? Because you sound absolutely off your nuts when you accuse people of that. We think you should at least listen to what you’re saying because it is so out of touch with reality it’s hard to wrap ones brains around it.

          • Suzanne567

            Out of touch of reality? Seriously?? Who, exactly, do you believe is the driving force behind keeping pit bulls proliferating all the shelters and rescues? It’s not folks in favor of BSL who will NEVER own these dogs to dump them when they flip out on us, and that’s for SURE.

          • Suzanne567

            On your very own page, Nancy, you’re talking about all the fighting dogs who are being rescued and foisted off onto unsuspecting citizens as “misunderstood”… But, they’re not a substantial part of the problem? Guess what those fighters and the ones they haven’t caught yet are gonna do. Let’s see…. My money would be on MAKE MORE DOGS TO FIGHT. Let’s try to figure this out, shall we?? OMGoodness.

          • HarveMorgan

            Well, wrap that warped brain around it because it is the truth.

          • HarveMorgan

            Anyone who owns a breed of canine that is mauling and killing like no other in history is most definitely an animal abuser because of the number of animals being killed by their breed. You don’t love animals if you love pits, you can’t and know what they are doing.

          • HarveMorgan

            There is no ‘average’ pit owner.

      • Did you consider perhaps that AJ did not see your post and that’s why there has been no response? In any case, I have linked one for you.

      • Here’s another study for your perusal – https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_TQhn0TrPSbc3NwT0ttcHdlbEk/edit

        Ownership of High-Risk (“Vicious”) Dogs as a Marker for Deviant
        Behaviors

    • Would those be drug dealers, drunk drivers and people with criminal records? Hmmm….

      • HarveMorgan

        No, just stupid people, very stupid people.

  • Zbyszek Grabiński
    • Suzanne567

      Not even close to the end of discussion, just more collusion and obfuscation. Next.

      • As long as it doesn’t jive with the hysteria label it as collusion and obfuscation and it must not be true. Here we thought you did not support the over the top hysteria Suzanne.

        • Suzanne567

          I can smell BS when it’s put in front of me. One only needs to look at the roster of injured and dead. These dogs aren’t worth the risk, no matter how sparkly the tutu… Sorry… People are catchin’ on.

          • They sure are. 4 cities in 10 days have repealed BSL. We are thrilled they are catching on.

          • Mary Ann Redfern

            They are also catching on to so called rescues that pretend to rescue pit bulls out of love of the breed but are just in it for the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

          • Yeah we don’t like rescues who pull dogs for money and pledges either Mary Ann. You should check out our financials. We rarely even break even after vetting, S/N, microchipping, obedience classes, HW testing and treatment if needed, de-worming and feeding.

          • Suzanne567

            Why, if it’s such a financial burden for people and such a terrible situation for the dogs, wouldn’t rescuers WANT to stop the insanity, demand spaying and neutering and get the shear numbers of dogs in check? Why wouldn’t you promote BSL for at least s/n when the dogs you “love” are being tormented and killed faster than the people? Why just keep shoveling the sands against the tides? You’ll never adopt your way out of the situation because far too many people do not want and will never adopt a pit bull. Instead, brag about how far into the red you’re brought by rescuing pit bulls? It makes NO SENSE, no matter how I slice it.

            And, just for the record, we get it… The Pit Bull Mafia has a bottomless pit of money and are more than happy to buy and bully BSL repeals from beleaguered politicians. Shocking… Interesting how the two times breed bans have actually hit the docket for some real democracy, Miami and Aurora, they’ve won in landslides and stayed in place. Very interesting… Keep getting the laws repealed, whatever. The dogs won’t stop being who they are and in the bloody aftermath of the repeals is where we’ll find the sanity to limit and restrict these dogs once and for all. Tick tock…

          • HarveMorgan

            Money makes it under the table. Animal Farm passes it out like candy.

          • HarveMorgan

            Look at the populations of those cities. LOL are you kidding me? I doubt they had a handful of pits in their communities to start with. When you take big cities, let us know. Thus far, you’ve had your *** kicked in two major cities.

          • What Harve? So now small populations lives don’t matter to you? Wow you guys sure are fickle.

          • HarveMorgan

            As usual you missed the point which was major cities voted against you. It’s easy to pay off in little towns, not so easy to pay off the big ones. The people are speaking loud and clear, the people don’t believe a word you say.

          • “Pay off?” You know you are accusing city councils of a crime in this post right? Bribery? You also know that is something you can be sued for Harve (Pat)? By the way, social referendums rarely pass by ballot. It was what a couple of the council members counted on. What we did gain was 11 points in 6 weeks. THAT speaks volumes. No worries Harve. We said we’d keep going and we meant it. Also, if you have a point, actually stating it is helpful.

          • HarveMorgan

            Really? So sue me. What speaks volumes is the vote in Aurora, which you failed to deliver.

          • No Pat, not us. Geez, you really don’t read do you? OK, this has been fun but we’ve got to hit the streets to actually help people instead of continuing this insanity with you guys. Have a great day Pat. Try and get some sleep and perspective. You seem confused.

          • Suzanne567

            I thought you were going to go spread some love. Right, right, off you go, run along now…

          • HarveMorgan

            You can’t even keep up with who you are addressing. Geez, don’t you know that everyone is Pat according to you apologists. You don’t even comment under your real name and you accuse others of having fake names. Well, I had to prove to FB who I was via drivers license and passport when your people hacked my account. Yes people, these pitters will hack your accounts if you speak against them. Yes people, they will harass you, post pictures from your personal pages, etc., if you speak against their beloved pitties. These are people who don’t give a crap about you, your children, or your beloved pets. They campaign to keep the attacks coming because they don’t want to change their ‘game’ dogs.

        • Suzanne567

          FWIW, you realize the AVMA also promotes the virtues of slaughter, right? They care, no doubt… They care about keeping themselves squarely out of the fray and backlash. Keeping the products on the shelf probably doesn’t hurt either.

          • Mary Ann Redfern

            Lynn is a farmer.

          • Yes, they promote horse slaughter as humane euthanasia,

            There is also generally a lot of confusion about the the “peer review” process (in this study and in general) and what a ‘peer-reviewed journal’ is. There are plenty of impartial, really scientific journals out there, whose peer review process is to guard scientific integrity. However, there are also as many journals founded and funded by an industry or a professional group, whose peer-review is intended to protect the interests of that industry or group.

            The American Veterinary Medical Association is a professional group. Sometimes its journal publishes articles with scientific intent Other times it publishes articles that are intended to protect financial interests of its members — and in those cases, its “peer review” is done by hand-picked “peers” who will reject anything that doesn’t support a purely political position the AVMA has adopted.

            The AVMA and its members are not qualified to write scientifically about public health except for zoonose (and only the animal side of that), human epidemiology, or catastrophic human injury. The correct peer-reviewed sources to look for in these issues are those written by human medical doctors, pediatric and plastic surgeons, and such.

    • HarveMorgan

      Hardly. The AVMA is losing members these days. Vets are pulling out because the AVMA changes stances with board member changes. Look back a few years, the AVMA was not pit friendly. But hey, pits bring big money to the vets, they love the carnage of the pits, means big bucks for them. Now that is the end of the discussion.

  • I helped save stalone

    Perry, I think your a compleate idiot and hater – nothing more. I think you summed up your radical hate editorial just fine with this opening line: “Far be it from me to let banned dogs lie.” – only to go on about how the pro pit side won’t drop the issue! Hilarious, your like a drunk thats to far gone to crawl out of his own puke aft4er passing out. Its a shame to see another human like that but I’m still laughing at your face down drowning bubbles……. The one line that stands out (No I had quit reading your dribble long before this but its a line that none the less stood out) “I, like most Aurora residents, understand that a yappy, snarling
    Chihuahua charging at me or my own dog is a serious threat. But I’ll
    take my chances with the raving Chihuahua over a 50-pound pit bull any
    day.” That in itself shows the hate, YOUR view is NOT public safety its about YOUR safety – A chihuahua that is out of control can hurt a child (you know the “small” people you claim “every pitbull will attack, maul and kill at least once in its lifetime”?) just as badly as a pit can………. So again, thanks for showing your true back side in that statement

    • At least if you are faced with an attacking chihuahua you could probably drop kick it and stop the attack. Not so with a pit bull.

    • Travelmate

      Wow. just. wow.

    • Jan Smith

      Thank you for coming and showing anyone reading this article exactly how pit bullies behave when confronted with someone who disagrees with them.

    • 1tonysolesky1

      We are not talking manifestos. Obviously the CDC itself has lost credibility in the last decade for exactly this same reason on other major health issues. Dog bites mauling and fatalities are not the province of the AVMA or any dog or pet, welfare advocacy group or trade organization. Who ever heard of calling GM for assistance at a car accident or a Veterinary doctor to the Er to repair a human, When you site these sources on the dog bite issue, you site exactly and reveal the corruption, Dog bites are not a dog owners or Veterinary medicine issue, It is not anything to do with their training. You did not post one source that was independent. People can go
      back in history before seat belts and tobacco controls and cite similar studies by industry trade organizations that had influence on government agencies or their misguided advice to women and other reports. It is not such studies and standings that have validity, they have influence. Validity is independent, these are studies that influence policy. If you request the trauma registry, Police reports and insurance actuaries for death and medical claims you will see immediately why the issue of Pit Bull, in other words the debate exists. When it comes to Pit Bull as normal or safe dogs. No factual, instinctual, reasonable or other methods can conclude anything other than they are dangerous and were there are fewer of them, there are fewer serious injuries and deaths involving dogs of other breeds.

  • WyCoHybrid

    I’ve seen several requests by people for papers and data that show BSL is not the answer or that pit bull type dogs shouldn’t be portrayed in such a negative light. So, I’m going to post some. For most here, it will be a waste of time since these have commonly been shared on the internet, on articles like this one and yet the same people keep asking for them. That makes it clear, they ask but ignore when someone gives it to them. But in case there’s anyone that doesn’t have this info. It’s by no means comprehensive, since the topic has been extensively studied.

    Here’s my personal favorite:
    http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf The direct link to the CDC study that dbo followers love to quote numbers from, yet ignore the conclusion on. The CDC’s conclusion for the study is on the first page (hard to miss) and states “Although
    fatal attacks on humans appear to be a breed-specific problem (pit
    bull-type dogs and Rottweilers), other breeds may bite and cause
    fatalities at higher rates. Because of difficulties inherent in
    determining a dog’s breed with certainty, enforcement of breed-specific ordinances raises constitutional and practical issues. Fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog bite injuries to humans
    and, therefore, should not be the primary factor driving public policy
    concerning dangerous dogs. Many practical alternatives to
    breed-specific ordinances exist and hold promise for prevention of dog bites. (J Am VetMed Assoc2000;217:836–840)”. How can you quote a study and completely miss the conclusion of that study? It leads me to believe they don’t read what they post.

    Here’s a few more:
    https://www.avma.org/public/Health/Documents/dogbite.pdf

    http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/publications/541422429_Dog%20Bites%20Problems%20and%20Solutions%202nd%20Edition.pdf (They love to discredit this one because one of the authors is known to fight BSL. They even claim that this group is really a front organziation for a Pro-pit bull money laundering group. Of course, I guess that means they, the National Canine Research Council, must have the JAVMA and AVMA fooled since they publish and cite their work. Or is it that they’ve bought them off? Either way, their credentials mean nothing to the people who try to disprove it. It’s a different excuse depending on which one is arguing against it)/

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24299544 (Here’s one the dbo crown has cited themselves, many times. Again, looks like they don’t read what they post since the conclusion is clear: “Most
    DBRFs were characterized by coincident, preventable factors; breed was not one of these. Study results supported previous recommendations for multifactorial approaches, instead of single-factor solutions such as breed-specific legislation, for dog bite prevention.”

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8657532. Again, nice conclusion.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24673506 Not about breed related bites, but poor visual ID

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4TT2KvVKAVleDd1a05zMi1Bdnc/edit

    Bottom line, you would have to write a book to include all the
    published, peer reviewed studies that state breed is not a factor or
    that BSL is ineffective or that aggression is not so easily transmitted
    through genes or that dog bite numbers have continued to rise in cities with BSL. I’m sure they will have a rebuttal to all of these studies and everyone in that book I mentioned you’d have to write, but at least they can’t hop on here and act like no one has ever given them data that disputes/disagrees with what they say. BSL is being dropped like a hot potato all over the U.S and it’s not on a whim. Its based on evidence of BSL failing. In all fairness, the dbo crowd does have one study they can quote that’s been published, peer reviewed and circulated quite heavily, that seems to support everything they say: Mortality, mauling and maiming by vicious dogs http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21475022, but dig deeper. The problem with this study is that it uses unreliable
    data and doesn’t publish the source. It’s even stated right there on
    the pubmed page with the first comment being “Imprudent use of
    unreliable dog bite tabulations and unpublished sources” It also starts with a conclusion and attempts to prove it. Bad form, but that’s neither here nor there. The JAVM had to devote space in a concurrent issue for a rebuttal, because they were called out so heavily for the bad paper. This sums up the errors quite nicely:
    http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/Bini-Commentary-FINAL.pdf Now you can all quit arguing about ‘show me the paper’. I just listed several. Argue over their validity all you want, but you can’t justifiably argue on this article anymore about not seeing anyone post anything to back up the assertion that this is not a breed specific issue.

  • Julia

    Dave, don’t let the pit bullies get to you. Good work, man!

  • Yotie

    Democracy is great until it doesn’t go your way.

    ColoRADogs lost the vote with the worst, most confusing ad ever. It looked like a PowerPoint slide crashed into a Grateful Dead poster. “Vote yes on 2D” was buried at the bottom of the ad in 2 point font.

    • Mary Ann Redfern

      It looked like a kindergarten poster more like it, Yotie.

  • 1tonysolesky1

    To be more accurate, while the author uses the word unpredictable and others even inexplicable to describe many Pit bull attacks, these attacks are in fact by the mere presents of a Pit Bull predictable. Rightly, they should be termed inevitable. They are as inevitable as a pointer pointing and a retriever retrieving.

    • Or as a child throwing rocks and tormenting a dog.

      • 1tonysolesky1

        Actually yes, if a child were to do that and they were mauled that dog would not be suitable to be in a community. You see the dogs are supposed to be the innocent ones that are being protected for their vulnerability from any sick or twisted individuals or kids that would do that. At the same time in my sons case there is a full Baltimore County Police report. A Criminal trial and conviction against the dog owner in the Circuit Court. A Civil trial in the circuit court. a trial in the Special Court of Appeals, a trail in the Court of Appeals and a Motion to reconsider as well as a Task Force on the issue, a special session and two general sessions. And nowhere other than on the internet has there ever been any statement by anyone or even any evidence that there was any wrong doing of any kind by the children. More over my son was coming down the alley to assist his friend that was mauled first. My point is where do you get your information? Mine is too public and well documented to be able to lie or be wrong. But more importantly how does anyone doing anything to a dog equal anything but that dog fleeing. Normal dogs give ground, they do not move toward a threat. I also always wondered why people always say where were the parents instead of where were the dog owners? I would love to debate you in a public forum. You Delise, The Pit bull Parole Lady, Pit Boss, Milan. I say if they are so credible they should come out on your behalf and debate me on the issue and shut me down. They are all scared to death to have a real conversation on the issue.

        • Bob Sack

          This coming from the same Tony Solensky who threatened to adopt and kill puppies as phase 2 of his failed political campaign? Sounds to me like you’re not suitable to be in any community except perhaps one that eats dogs.

          • HarveMorgan

            Again, victimizing victims. You guys are so good at that. It’s the only thing you are good at.

          • Suzanne567

            But wait, do pits not attack or do they? First, it’s all BS, misidentification, blah, blah, blah, THEN, it’s provocation, throwing rocks? I can’t even try to keep up with the circular reasoning and hypocrisy. Although, I am trying, but do they not attack or do they only attack when stoned? Or, can you only follow along if you’re stoned, maybe? I know it’s Colorado and all…. ???

          • Jan Smith

            Please offer proof of your claim.

      • Travelmate

        Shame on you blaming the victim with unsubstantiatedand blatant lies.

      • HarveMorgan

        Blaming the victims, you love to do that, don’t you? A ‘nanny’ dog would never hurt a child, even one throwing rocks. Duh

        • Harve (Pat), your comments are boorish and do nothing to further any conversation. We know quite a few dogs of all breeds who if they were confined and had rocks thrown at them repeatedly, would go after their tormentor. Or do you believe that people should be able to abuse dogs and they should just sit and take it? Should not work to protect themselves. We’re so glad our parents taught us better than that. One of the worst positions your groups take is that none of these events were preventable. It’s a blatant lie and although yes, some attacks ( a minuscule number) can be categorized as unprovoked, many have multiple factors that are consistent through each event. Throwing rocks at a confined dog who has already been show to be in an unkind environment would be one of those mitigating events. We don’t think that dogs are some unfeeling object that should take abuse and have us expect them to wag their tail. Even though APBT have repeatedly shown their willingness to do just that in light of the many atrocities that breed has been subject to. We can either start looking at the realities of why this stuff happens or keep screaming the same hysteria bound in no fact. We choose to do something proactive to prevent tragedy. But we do have to count on parents to teach compassion so it trickles down to the next generation. Pointing out how to prevent another tragedy is not victim blaming Pat.

          • Suzanne567

            I’ll happily point out how to avoid another pit bull tragedy, be rid of these dogs as companions and pets because they’re not. That’s the ONLY way. It’s not personal to them, they attack without regard or discrimination be it a stranger or their owner. So, to prevent it, we must seriously restrict the dogs. You can’t train away their propensity to attack things nor do people creating them even want to. How’d we get to rock throwing again, BTW. I have yet to see where anyone threw rocks at a dog other than when they’re dropping cinder blocks on their heads to try to get them to release their victims.

          • Hmmm…Then you aren’t doing due diligence to your subject Suzanne.

          • Suzanne567

            I’m not even sure what you mean. My subject??

          • Suzanne567

            Maybe you need to provide me with some links of all these rock throwing cretins who are being attacked. Mostly what I see are pet dogs, kids and grandmas getting viciously mauled while minding their business in their own yards… ???

          • Think hard Suzanne, you’ll figure it out. Now we’re going to go out to the streets and help people who need to keep dogs with them. You know community service stuff, dog food, blankets and support for Coloradans. So you keep banging the drum of hysteria. We’re gonna go offer help. Have a great day Suzanne.

          • Suzanne567

            Oh, I get it, you got nothing… Have a blast, bring your bear mace. As if for the last ten years I have dedicated my life to helping animals by rescuing, rehabbing, retraining and rehoming them. Or do you think you invented being kind to animals? The only things I do a little differently, is that I don’t aid and abet the dog fighters and I don’t turn two blind eyes to the suffering of innocent human and pet victims. Hmmm… I’m going to go be Mother Teresa and feed the world’s hungry because I’m so cool and need to continually pat myself on the back for being awesome… Whatever. Rolls eyes…

          • Wow you are a sad, tiny person Suzanne. We feed all breeds of dogs and help people. You sit and spread hysteria and hate. Sorry your missing such a huge piece of your soul.

          • Suzanne567

            Whooomp – there it is. I was waiting for the ad hominem attack. I’m not a victim so you couldn’t go Pit Apology 101 – Victim Blaming on me, you had to reach deep into Pit Apology 102 – Ad Hominem Attack. LOL So predictable, too bad your coveted dogs aren’t.

          • Suzanne567

            Don’t think I don’t love being stalked, harassed via PM, berated and then blocked, either. LOL True colors, Nancy. I don’t delete PMs, thanks for letting that freak flag fly! BTW, of all the thousands of dollars I donate to animal rescue and feeding the homeless every year at Christmas rather than give gifts to my well off relatives – ya, you won’t be getting a dime. Good luck with your red ink though. Maybe some dog fighters will kick in some cash for ya. 😉

          • We would send your donation back to you Suzanne. We would never accept a dime from people who work to kill family pets. As for the statement underneath this. We believe it was you who predated on one of our supporters who has Autism spectrum disorder on our page. Yes we blocked you because you were predating on a young man on our page. I blocked you from my personal page because you’re clearly manipulative and dishonest.I still have the PM.

          • Suzanne567

            Dishonest? LOL Now, that’s rich. I do NOT work to kill anything. I do not wish to see loved pet taken away from responsible owners. I don’t even like killing flies in the barn. So, keep telling yourself that people who would like to restore some safety to the public are evil… That’s honest. ?? Wait, no it’s NOT. Actually, I think basket muzzles and mandatory spay/neuter plus a little liability insurance for pit owners would be a great start as a means to an end of the ACTUAL predation of people, real pets, livestock and wildlife by pit bulls. But, you wouldn’t ever let the truth get in your way. I’m sure that my commenting was not predatory, nor was it disclosed that anyone commenting on your page was autistic and should be off limits. Sorry, I can’t read minds to know who may be disable or not. Besides, I wouldn’t discriminate against anyone, if you can’t take the heat, don’t hang out in the kitchen. Explain to me how unborn pit bulls can suffer, be exploited by fighters and/or rescuers and killed, you know, if they’re not here to begin with… ???

          • Gabriel Barros

            After I found out what pit bull advocacy is, I don’t donate to any animal advocacy groups anymore.

      • Jan Smith

        Pit bull advocacy 101: Always blame the victim, especially if it’s a child.

  • Zbyszek Grabiński
  • Zbyszek Grabiński

    Pit Bull ??????????

  • Zbyszek Grabiński

    Pit Bull ???????????????????

    • That’s TEDD handler SPC. Alexander Reimer, of the 4th Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division, with his dog Howard at FOB Pasab.

      • Sandy Chlubna

        Thank you for your service, Howard

      • 1tonysolesky1

        I question the validity of this picture as to any Pit Bull dogs being used in our armed services. I cannot find any information that says the 82 Airborne uses this breed. The closest thing I can find is where troops have been know to keep a local dog for the purpose of unit morale. I would be happy to be proven wrong but I need to see where I can find this as credible.

      • 1tonysolesky1

        I think I am going to have to call BS on this picture. I can find nowhere in the military where this breed is used. Only mention is where they are banned. Please link us to a site that says the 82nd or any branch uses this breed.

        • Gabriel Barros

          I search on this and all I see is a bunch of hits on pintrest and some pit bull propaganda web pages.

          • 1tonysolesky1

            I can’t find anything on it either. AT least not on military sites. To be honest I don’t mind tanks in a war zone, so a Pit Bull would seem more right in warfare for deadly and aggressive situation. My thing is, that none of the short nosed breeds are known for great scenting ability or smarts. It just seems odd that they would put that effort in to a short nosed dog that is not known for either scenting ability or high intelligence. There are a lot of breeds that are safe and would not be good at it either, This is more me trying to figure out how the military would see a value in using such a breed, even if one in every 10,000 could do it when 1 in every ten Shepard and like breeds always can do it. I have heard of pilot programs where a organization pays a Police department to deploy one of these type dogs in a test/PR circumstance but I really don’t know of any places they are relied on in actual law enforcement programs or in the military.

          • Gabriel Barros

            Your comment, “My thing is, that none of the short nosed breeds are known for great scenting ability or smarts….This is more me trying to figure out how the military would see a value in using such a breed, even if one in every 10,000 could do it when 1 in every ten Shepard and like breeds always can do it.”

            Pit bulls are not scent dogs. Far better breeds to perform that function and more reliably.

            While pit bull advocates point us to pit bull “service dogs”, what they either don’t know or are not willing to admit is the failure rate of such dogs. This also goes for scent and protection dogs. Pit bulls are not designed to do these functions so they would naturally have a higher failure rate.

            Now put a pit bull in “the pit” and watch it kill most all other dogs. Sure, there’s a few that might kill a pit bull but overwhelmingly, it will be the pit bull who reigns supreme when it comes to killing other dogs. I would be reluctant to believe the military feels it needs this type of dog on the battlefield.

          • 1tonysolesky1

            Gabriel Barros, I am inclined to agree with you. I always see the irony in the fact that many people seem to use the word Breed or Breed discrimination, without understanding that the word means, a dog through selective mating that has been designed to have traits so different and unique, that it warrants its own identity. Some are even named for their traits literally. Golden Retriever, a dog with golden fur that instinctively retrieves. Bloodhound, a dog used to track humans by tracking or hounding ground scent. Pointer a dog that points birds, Pit bull?????????????????

          • Gabriel Barros

            Pit bull is just slang. I use it, you use it, pit bull advocates use it for the same dogs. A pit bull is a pit bull.

            I do notice when someone calls a pit bull a “bulldog”, that is dog fighter slang for pit bull but it’s used also to describe any fighting breed dog. This most likely means the person is active in dog fighting or they’ve been around enough game dog “enthusiasts” that they too use the term.

        • This pic and others appear on various Pinterest pages, Instagram, some kennel clubs, and Military forums. Could be an anomaly though.

          http://www.corbiscelebrity.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/42-36086691/k9-soldiers

    • HarveMorgan

      I say we send them all over there and let the deed be done on those folks rather than our innocent children here in the states. Good idea.

      • Suzanne567

        Well, they can’t bring them home anyway. Not and live on any Army, Navy, Air Force or Marines barracks, considering our Armed Forces BANS them… Hmmm???

  • Zbyszek Grabiński
    • HarveMorgan

      LOL, the shelters in the Netherlands are filling with pit bulls and the attacks have started. You fail to mention that the Netherlands is seriously considering re-instating their ban, stating it was a mistake to repeal it. LOL

      • Zbyszek Grabiński

        Not true

        • HarveMorgan

          You wish it weren’t true.Alexandra Semyonova keeps us apprised of what is happening there.

  • Amnon

    It’s so sad watching desperate journalists troll for clicks.

  • Bob Rtarp

    Ontario in Canada banned them 10years ago and the BAN IS WORKING!!! Here is an artice from their local newspaper. EAT IT PIT NUTTERS!

    http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/10/03/pit_bulls_were_torontos_biggest_biters_before_the_ban.html

    • pitty bull

      LOL . many pit bulls here in Ontario . Stick to Rogaine idiot .

      • HarveMorgan

        How about a name so you can be reported? See, pit owners are cowards, they use fake names.

        • pitty bull

          My name is Pat Dunaway assshole .

    • Suzanne567

      Shhhhhhh… It’s apparently a big secret that BSL and breed bans work. Let’s not let the cat out of the bag. 😉

    • And they can’t get a private member’s bill to advance either. The last one ended when the government was prorogued and now they have to start all over again. Private Member’s bills are rarely successful, so I think it will take a herculean act of Parliament to push their agenda in Ontario.

  • Jeff Birdcart

    Leading experts from around the world who have years of training studying the Foamer community compile their data yearly to help us accurately keep track of Foamer incidents nationwide except for Canada and Mexico (our budget isn’t that big). This agency is known as the CFC – The Center for Foamer Control.

    Our experts have sent informative questioners through out the states to medical and mental health professions to help gather Non Foamer interactions with Foamers data.

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    Each question is scientifically proven to help understand the rising levels of insanity in the Foamer community and the threat they pose to our community and to the National Security.

    According to the CFC (Center for Foamer Control) they stopped recording Foamer attacks by gender and instead of recording “Foamer man” and “Foamer woman” they simplified it to just “Foamer”.

    The CFC reports that with the growth of the population it makes sense that the percentage of Foamers would grow slightly. As troubling as that might seem at first glance, the CFC assures us that it’s normal.

    According to these charts from 2011 to 2013 it seems as if the Foamer population hasn’t grown much:

    In conclusion, The CFC concludes that there will always be Foamers and that means Foamer attacks are always possible. Foamer Education is the best way to avoid or lesson your irritation when having the unfortunate Foamer interaction.

    Tips for avoiding Foamer attacks:

    Never feed the Foamers

    Leave Foamers alone while they are eating.

    Do not approach stray Foamers.

    Never leave children, dogs,cats and the elderly alone and unsupervised with Foamers.

    Please make sure Foamers are S/N and up to date on their vaccinations.

    When a Foamer is approaching, don’t yell and run. Stand perfectly still, don’t make eye contact and pray they just don’t see you.

    Don’t be part of the problem! Be proactive and help keep the Foamer population down. FBL (Foamer breed legislation) are being enacted daily nationwide!

    • HarveMorgan

      What kind of person makes fun of a man who lost his son in a horrible way? Pit bull owners is the answer. A nasty, hateful lot of people who spend their days harassing victims of pit bull attacks. No wonder the world is voting against you and your mutant killer canines.

  • Gabriel Barros

    Journal of Interpersonal Violence

    Volume 21 Number 12 December 2006

    Ownership of High-Risk (“Vicious”) Dogs as a Marker for Deviant Behaviors

    Implications for Risk Assessment

    “The analysis revealed that owners of HR (high risk) dogs had significantly more criminal convictions and traffic citations in all categories except crimes involving children.”

    “Professionals such as child and adult protection investigators, law enforcement officers, pediatricians and medical practitioners, home visiting professionals, domestic violence investigators, and public health nurses may find it useful to be informed about the breed and specific behaviors of the dogs that share the environment with their clients. First, be aware that the dog breed, ESPECIALLY OWNING A PIT BULL, MAY BE A RISK MARKER.”

  • Gabriel Barros

    Society & Animals Journal of Human-Animal Studies

    Managing the Stigma of Outlaw Breeds: A Case Study of Pit Bull Owners

    Tufts Center for Animals and Public Policy

    Managing the Stigma of Outlaw Breeds: A Case Study of Pit Bull Owners (2000)

    In the face of this stigma, respondents resorted to using a variety of interactional strategies to lessen the impact of this perception or prevent it from occurring.

    These strategies included passing their dogs as breeds other than pit bulls, denying that their behavior is biologically determined, debunking adverse media coverage, using humor, emphasizing counter-stereotypical behavior, avoiding stereotypical equipment or accessories, taking preventive measures, or becoming BREED AMBASSADORS.

  • RealityFun

    You guys can stay on here and keep trying to argue about the Journal of American Veterinary Medical Assoc and the American Veterinary Medical Assoc. not being credible sources regarding canine information, while also stating that Clifton and Lynne are credible. Hmm, two long-standing, respected, animal health organizations vs. two internet bloggers with no background in canines, whatsoever. I’ll let the readers do the math on that one.

    Anyway, as I said before, once the personal attacks come out, and they always do with the dogsbite cultists, I’ll leave. That time has come. The dbo cultists words speak for themselves. They just keep emulating PETA so well, they can’t help themselves.This page, just like so many before it that has been invaded by dbo cultists, will continue serving the purpose of showing how dbo cultists behave and who they really are. The cultists are so good at showing who they really are by themselves, there’s no need for anyone to have to expose the hate they send to people privately. They repeat the same behaviors on public forums like this one and all it takes to get them going is for someone to innocently disagree with them. Thanks for once again showing who dbo really is and exposing dbo’s true motivations-to hate and harass.

    • Mirl

      Actually, I just got a hate message from someone named “Amnon Costigan.” Heard of him? I’ve never communicated with him on Facebook before, but I think he’s one of yours.

      • Amnon Costigan

        Are you a pathalogical liar or just psychotic? I’ve never contacted you before in my life.

        • Amnon “Avoids Freaks” Costigan

          To be clear, you people are completely unhinged, so, as a safety measure, I only contact you freaks within the comments sections of articles where you carry out your anti-dog circle jerks. In fact, I have had you, Mirl Popowich, blocked since the moment I encountered your scary self. Try again, troll.

          • Amnon

            Here you go, you are at the bottom of the list of blocked anti-dog freaks, which means you’ve been dwelling there for a minute: http://tinypic.com/r/52xmck/8 . Please get help, Mirl.

          • Mirl

            You had to block me – AFTER you sent the message. Because that’s what pit nuts do – hit and run, without or without their dogs.

          • Amnon

            I sent that message months ago. You claim I “just” sent it to you. Psycho.

          • Mirl

            $hithead.

          • Amnon

            Nice one. But my “pit bulls” still love you unconditionally.

          • Mirl

            Glad you took responsibility for sending unsolicited hate. It’s rare that we see pit nuts take responsibility for anything.

          • Amnon

            That hate was in no means unsolicited. You are a dog-hating troll who advocates for the deaths of millions upon millions of innocent animals. As such, the contempt you’ve received is well deserved.

          • Amnon

            And, yet, despite all that, my “pit bulls” still love you unconditionally.

          • Mirl

            So you’ve got a big turgidity for the bully breeds. It all makes sense now (although it does not justify your dismal ethics of harassing random people on Facebook).

          • Mirl

            As much as I enjoy seeing the nuts crapflooding the comments in front of such an important audience, I think it’s time for you to get back to the meth lab before it blows up. With their comments, pit nuts always manage to make 4chan look like a supportive environment.

          • Amnon

            meth lab, eh? Enjoy your stereotypes, Mirly Mirl.

        • Mirl

          Sorry, I have just put the lie to that statement.

      • Amnon

        For those who are on mobile and can’t read my reply to Mirl, she’s a bald-faced liar. I’ve had her and all her unhinged, dog-hating friends blocked since the moment I was exposed to them. Here’s the list in case anyone else needs to take similar precautions against these hate-filled, dog-killing stalkers: http://tinypic.com/r/52xmck/8

  • Gabriel Barros

    Society & Animals Journal of Human-Animal Studies

    Managing the Stigma of Outlaw Breeds: A Case Study of Pit Bull Owners

    Tufts Center for Animals and Public Policy

    Managing the Stigma of Outlaw Breeds: A Case Study of Pit Bull Owners (2000)

    In the face of this stigma, respondents resorted to using a variety of interactional strategies to lessen the impact of this perception or prevent it from occurring.

    These strategies included passing their dogs as breeds other than pit bulls, denying that their behavior is biologically determined, debunking adverse media coverage, using humor, emphasizing counter-stereotypical behavior, avoiding stereotypical equipment or accessories, taking preventive measures, or becoming BREED AMBASSADORS.

  • Gabriel Barros

    The American Pit Bull Terrier (HISTORY OF FIGHTING DOGS Series) Paperback

    by Joseph L. Colby

    ISBN-13: 978-1846642562

    Originally published in 1936, this book is extremely rare in its early editions. Hugely informative and in-depth, it is a complete treatise on the breed covering the entire field, with particular emphasis on dog-fighting.

  • Fataah Ewe’

    Pit bulls are back yard breeder’s, trainer’s and veterinarian’s dream come true. Plastic surgeons probably have enuf to do, but repairing all those children’s faces will buy a new mercedes for sure. And yet, humble working families who know nothing about training difficult dogs get “sold” on these days. They have no time for them, people work, they have obligations. People rent houses, they don’t have the money to put up 6ft heavy duty chainlink with hog fence underlayment to prevent digging out–on the landlord’s back yard. So their dogs are always escaping, running the streets, attacking & killing dogs and children. People need hours and hours of dedicated expert training to turn around a dog aggressive dog, and even then it is never a done deal. Why not enjoy normal dogs., dogs with little grief attached–happy days? Why get a pit that you keep because it is a scarey dog, a guardy dog? Come on, admit it pibble folks. The pit is a front. Why risk CHILDREN? our DOGS, our ELDERS, our HORSES?

  • Amnon

    Check my replies to her above, RealityFun. I would not engage this Mirl if I were you. She has clearly lost the plot.

    • Mirl

      Sorry dude, I’m a dude. And you made the initial contact, so suck it up.

      • Amnon

        Do you need a friend, Mirl? I am happy to unblock you as long as you promise not to poison my dogs.

  • Mirl

    You should read for comprehension. He’s obviously included with the unhinged pit nuts, as we can all plainly see. (and so can any residents of Aurora reading this now).

    • RealityFun

      This has nothing to do with reading comprehension and has everything to do with faulty logical assumptions. I *personally* have not harassed or called anyone vile names. I have not threatened any one here and I have not stalked anyone here (or anywhere else, for that matter), yet those things have been done to me, on here. So whether or not someone who did or didn’t send you a personal message on facebook last year (we are using disqus here, btw) is pro pit bull or anti pit bull has no relevance to me saying that you guys are publically harassing people here and throwing in personal attacks to me and to others. So your logic that someone in Timbuktu has sent you a message (that is nothing compared to your posts to others here), therefore you get to harass everyone that is pro-pitbull, including me, is faulty, to say the least. That’s a pretty basic logic skill to not understand.

      You have again proved MY point for me. Thank you again. I post my own post, to no one in particular about harassment and personal attacks, and you respond with harassment and personal attacks once again. Beautiful. Oh and guess what? I’m in Aurora. That’s why I’m on the Sentinels page. Thought I’d give them another chance, obviously wasted since they allow their comments section to look like a grade school recess yard just for the clicks, but whatever. Where are you? I bet you’re not even in Colorado, but if you are, I’m getting ready to head on over to the library on Hamden after I finish up a few things. Should be there within the hour if you’d like to discuss pit bulls in a more civil manner, since face to face contact tends to turn little internet trolls into subdued little children who no longer have anything to debate. I will happily have a public debate with you there about pitbulls, since I have a feeling it will be much more respectful in person.

      • Mirl

        Not sure why you are choosing to reply to a message you keep saying has nothing to do with you. Is there some question as to whether the screen cap posted is actually a message? The spaminator himself admitted to sending it. That’s all that matters. Like biting dogs, you’ve proven again that pit nuts won’t acknowledge a fact staring them in the face.

        And my posts on this thread are all polite, until Mr. Costigan showed up, tossing around words like “psycho” and “pathological liar.” That was before he got shown the evidence of his own harassment.

        Again, read for comprehension. Someone disagree with you is not harassing you either.

        • RealityFun

          Funny thing happened at the park meeting. Not only did the majority of the meeting have to do with complaints regarding dogs in the park, which was no shock since its why the meeting was called and was also the reason the meeting was open to more than just residents of our neighborhood, but no one stood up and said anything about pit bulls. Many people took the floor, but not one mentioned pit bulls. So you’re either too weak in your convictions to speak up in person, or you don’t care enough about Aurora or pit bulls to put any real effort into doing anything except troll internet articles. It would’ve made a good platform for a pit bull hate speech. I’m sure it would’ve been heckled and booed and maybe even cut short, but a lot of people would’ve heard you.

          We both know you don’t really live here and we both know that none of your replies to me thus far have had anything to do with pit bulls or Aurora, so I think it’s pretty clear the only thing you want to do is try to pick on people. I’m flattered you enjoy spending so much time talking about me and trying to get a reaction, but you had your chance to publicly address the issues of this article and you proved that you are either a flake that doesn’t really care about the topic of this article, or they aren’t really your issues because you don’t live in Colorado. You also proved many things I mentioned in my first post so that post did it’s job by bringing the real agenda of dogsbite members to the top of the list. Thank you for that. I hope you have a nice life where people in real life handle you with the same approach you handle others online. I’m sure it will work out well for you in the end;)

          • Mirl

            Here’s a reply that relates directly to you – you ramble and make no sense. Thanks for coming back yet again to be “harassed.”

  • zeus234

    What is it about Pit Bulls that conger a trail of death and destruction?Misinformation.
    I’ve seen “documented facts”about jaw psi being in excess of 1000lbs.
    Fact:More along the lines of a German Shepard maybe a little more.
    Let’s not forget about those locking jaws.Their jaws are the same as any dogs.
    Or how about the police officer that shot one 9 times in the head before it would die?
    More like shot in the head once and the rest were misses in his panic.
    At one time it was Rotties than Dobermans guess those grew old.

    Pits got a bad rap and it stuck.

    • Jan Smith

      Pit bulls didn’t get a bad rap, they earned it, and it stuck because they continue to maul and kill in record numbers every year. Police have indeed had to shoot pit bulls multiple times before they would stop attacking. This one took 13 bullets before it stopped trying to attack the officers. http://www.wwltv.com/story/news/2014/09/05/14692518/
      From 1930 to 1960 the U.S. averaged fewer than one fatal dog attack per year, yet almost all dogs ran free, less than 1% were fixed, and males far outnumbered females because of the common practice of drowning female pups to prevent surplus litters. Pit bulls during that entire 30-year span killed nine people. Dobermans killed two, one in 1955 and one in 1960, and that was enough to create the lasting image of the Doberman as a dangerous breed.
      Since 2010 we have averaged 28.7 fatalities per year from pit bulls alone. From 1960 to 1985, the U.S. averaged about 600,000 bites per year requiring medical treatment, with a dog population of about 35 million. From 2000 to today, with a dog population of about 70 million, the average number of dog bites per year requiring medical attention has been between 4.7 and 4.8 million.
      What changed?
      In 1960 pit bulls were about half of one percent of the U.S. dog population. By 2000 they were about 3.5%, and now they are 7% of dog births, though still only about 3.5% of the dog population due to excessively high mortality, mostly through shelter surrenders and impoundments.

      • zeus234

        How does a doctor tell a pit bull bite from any other unless of course the got it? Or do the police just go shoot it?
        http://www.pickthepit.com/
        Kinda like people think because an AR-15 looks like a machine gun therefore it is.

  • Nick Campbell

    Thank you, Mr. Perry. I’ve had similar experiences with this type of bully before, but it’s been years. I especially like it when they get their E-lert message and jump into action and they flood our legislators with so many phone calls that it overloads the phone system.

  • Joe Hardhat

    I’m seeing more folks carry clubs and sticks on their walks, and perhaps a number with conceal carry pistols. The ban stops most from parading their pit bulls in public, but not all. As a former Boy Scout and combat veteran my advice is to be prepared for the unexpected. For instance, one day before the ban a stray pit bull trotted into my back yard through an open gate while I was trimming hedges … he came at me and I swung my large clippers at him and clobbered him upside the head. He ran out of the yard and re-joined his owner who was on a nearby trail. I had a few choice words for the owner.

  • I should have mentioned this earlier, but I especially appreciate Mr. Perry outing these harassers by name. Since the Aurora Sentinel has a Google rank of 4, there’s a very good chance that if anyone Googles their name, it will show up at the top or close to the top of the organic search criteria. Well done!

  • Pit nutters regularly claim that we can’t judge the breed (or as they often say “bread”). But we can make reasonable generalizations (or what they refer to as “racism”). We know that the behaviour between breeds of dogs does vary. The field of behavioural genetics, which studies the spectra of normal and deviant behaviour, is entirely devoted to the very genetic and behavioural observations pit nutters claim don’t exist.

    Behaviour in any animal is expressed by both environment and genetics (inherited) and these both contribute to the phenotype. Therefore, behaviour of a dog is shaped both by environment, domestication, and evolutionary processes – genes inherited from its parents. Traits such as emotionality,degree of activity, sociability, and AGGRESSION. Genetic expression manifests itself in behaviour.

    Behaviour is partially a result of selective breeding. And we know of course, that pit bulls were selectively bred for holding animals for slaughter and later refined into fighting dogs. Too many dog breeds originate from only a handful of individuals, making these traits more obvious since they are not widely spread over many individual animals. Unlike humans, many breeds of dogs have negative inbred traits that can be observed within the breed.

    Belyaev showed that the selection for tameness changed brain gene expression in foxes. Just as the selection for gameness changed pit bulls into what they are today.

  • gouko787

    I notice you conveniently fail to mention my posts, as well as the posts of other opposed to BSL, that do not fall in line with your assumptions. You also leave out any reference to the posts of pro-BSL individuals that assert stabbing dogs and stereotyping anyone that owns a “pit bull” as rational behavior.
    Dave Perry, you are a coward and a cherry picker that really should brush up on journalistic integrity. I get it, you are scared of 50 pound dogs. That does not give you license to fabricate and promote half-truths and misleading statements that only represent data you choose to reflect. Extremes exist on both sides of this debate, but you only want to attack the extremes on one side and ignore the others. DBO has trained you well.

  • Jan Smith

    Pit bully logic.

    • Zbyszek Grabiński

      Pit bull greets

      • Jan Smith

        Dog bite vs. pit bull attack. The bottom photo is a result of an attack on a child and resulted in hand amputation. BSL is not meant to stop bites, it is meant to stop severe attacks resulting in permanent disfigurement or death.

  • Zbyszek Grabiński
  • Zbyszek Grabiński

    The United Kingdom

    The United Kingdom’s Dangerous Dog Act bans the American Pit Bull Terrier and three other breeds of dogs and their crossbreeds. Yet reports from the U.K. indicate that dog bites requiring hospital treatment have not decreased. Rather, 4,328 dog bites were reported treated by U.K. hospitals in 1999, whereas in the year ending April 2011 there were 6,118 such treatments-an increase of 41% over ten years [HES data]. The U.K. also continues to experience approximately four dog bite fatalities per year.

    Approximately 50% of the 78 million dogs living in the
    U.S. today are mixed-breed dogs (2009-10 American
    Pet Products Manufactures Association survey).
    Veterinary behaviorists have proven that there is no
    standard by which we can reliably identify the breed
    composition of mixed-breed dogs, based on their
    appearance or behaviors.

    What you see on the outside – pure breed or mixed
    breed – does not determine how a dog will behave.
    Physical appearance alone cannot predict behavior or
    personality. A dog’s entire physical appearance is
    determined by a very small amount of genetic
    material. For example, of the 19,000 genes in the
    canine genome, as few as six can determine a dog’s
    head shape; none of the genes associated with head
    shape influence behavior or personality. (Report of
    Dr. Kristopher Irizarry,” Nicholas Criscuolo et al. v.
    Grant County et al., United States District Court
    Eastern District of Washington 2011)

  • Zbyszek Grabiński

    genetics

    • Pit bulls weren’t popular in the 70s, 80s, or 90s. Dog demographics have changed, and so have bite stats.

      • Jeff Bogkart

        ah here she miss report you and get all my friend too as well ,, mmm , i’ve seen a blog focused solely on you and your abuse of fb reporting procedures, but i’m sure you’ll learning a lot more about that before too long?? lol!! have a bice day enjoy fb while it lasts!! lol!!

        • I love how a fake Facebook and internet persona tells other people that their time on FB is limited! If you didn’t violate FB rules, your posts would not have been deleted!

          • Suzanne567

            Well, Heather, you know you’ll have a bice day at least. Why are pit pushers/human antagonists always fairly illiterate? English, learn it, use it. Go get hooked on phonics instead of pit bulls!!

          • Jeff Bogkart

            i had no pics removed?? you must have me confused with someone else?

          • Jeff Bogkart

            i can you prove my identity too or i wouldn’t be here either einstine!!

          • No doubt you have a driver’s license in the name of “Jeff Bogkart.”

          • Jeff Bogkart

            lol! my names is not jeff bogkart,, jeff bpgkart is a page??

          • Starting with your name, which is intended to mock someone else, there is nothing truthful about you.

      • Jeff Bogkart

        considering bite sats have not been recorded anywhere and most of your arguement revolves around the numbers from a complete fraud a fake!

    • Jan Smith

      From 1930 to 1960 the U.S. averaged fewer than one fatal dog attack per year, yet almost all dogs ran free, less than 1% were fixed, and males far outnumbered females because of the common practice of drowning female pups to prevent surplus litters. Pit bulls during that entire 30-year span killed nine people. Dobermans killed two, one in 1955 and one in 1960, and that was enough to create the lasting image of the Doberman as a dangerous breed.
      Since 2010 we have averaged 28.7 fatalities per year from pit bulls alone. From 1960 to 1985, the U.S. averaged about 600,000 bites per year requiring medical treatment, with a dog population of about 35 million. From 2000 to today, with a dog population of about 70 million, the average number of dog bites per year requiring medical attention has been between 4.7 and 4.8 million.
      What changed?
      In 1960 pit bulls were about half of one percent of the U.S. dog population. By 2000 they were about 3.5%, and now they are 7% of dog births, though still only about 3.5% of the dog population due to excessively high mortality, mostly through shelter surrenders and impoundments.

      • Zbyszek Grabiński

        John Smith a lot of dogs described as Pit Bull mix. What is a Pit Bull mix?? as this is a breed of dog???

        http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/Pit%20Bull%20ID%20Poster.pdf

        • Gabriel Barros

          A “pit bull,” is defined as any dog that is an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits of any one (1) or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics which substantially conform to the standards established by the American Kennel Club or United Kennel Club for any of the above breeds. Dias v. City & County of Denver, 567 F.3d 1169, 1173 (10th Cir. Colo. 2009)

          • Jeff Bogkart

            rather vague don’t you think “or any dog that exhibits characterixtcs” lol!! and this supposed to be legit Gabi?? are you serious??

          • Suzanne567

            Jeff, you’re clearly having an identity crisis. Please try to not exploit victims while you figure out your real name. Might want to try a mirror, maybe a birth certificate? License?? Hmmm…. Rolls eyes.

          • Jeff Bogkart

            thank you for your kind words and i can assure you i know exactly who I am and what I’m hoping to achieve, specifically we want to stop 100% of the dog bite related deaths, unlike boofhead foamers who are willing to sacrifice innocent children in order to achieve pitbull eradication whereas we are about stopping all 100% of dog bite related deaths no matter what the breed?

          • Gabriel Barros

            BSL saves lives.

            Where’s all those fatal Golden Retriever attacks? Pit bull advocates claim “all dogs bite”.

            November 2014
            Robeson County, NC Alemeaner Dial, 83 Fatal pit bull attack

            October 2014
            Stanislaus County, CA Juan Fernandez, 54 Fatal pit bull attack

            September 2014
            Sharp County, AR Alice Payne, 75 Fatal pit bull attack
            Benton County, MS David Glass Sr., 51 Fatal pit bull attack

            August 2014
            Miami-Dade County, FL Javon Dade Jr., 4 Fatal pit bull attack
            St. Charles County, MO Deriah Solem, < 2 Fatal pit bull attack
            Levy County, FL Joel Chirieleison, 6 Fatal pit bull attack
            Butler County, OH Cindy Whisman, 59 Fatal pit bull attack

            July 2014
            Montgomery County, OH Johnathan Quarles, Jr., < 1 Fatal pit bull attack
            Hillsborough County, FL Logan Sheppard, 4 Fatal pit bull attack

            May 2014
            New Haven County, CT Rita Pepe, 93 Fatal pit bull attack
            Kent County, DE Kasii Haith, 4 Fatal pit bull attack
            Lee County, AL Katie Morrison, 20 Fatal pit bull attack

            April 2014
            Highlands County, FL Jessica Norman, 33 Fatal pit bull attack
            Bexar County, TX Petra Aguirre, 83 Fatal pit bull attack
            St. Clair County, AL John Harvard, 5 Fatal pit bull attack

            March 2014
            Kaufman County, TX Dorothy Hamilton, 85 Fatal pit bull attack
            Holmes County, MS Christopher Malone, 3 Fatal pit bull attack
            Terrebonne Parish, LA Mia DeRouen, 4 Fatal pit bull attack
            Maricopa County, AZ Nancy Newberry, 77 Fatal pit bull attack

            February 2014
            Guilford County, NC Braelynn Coulter, 3 Fatal pit bull attack
            Bell County, TX Je'vaeh Mayes, 2 Fatal pit bull attack

            January 2014
            McLean County, IL Kara Hartrich, 4 Fatal pit bull attack
            Comal County, TX Betty Clark, 75 Fatal pit bull attack
            Harris County, TX Christina Bell, 43 Fatal pit bull attack

          • Suzanne567

            Oh, I get it. You’re a moron. Thanks for sharing.

          • Gabriel Barros

            It’s the law jeff. Enjoy your life of ignorance.

          • Jeff Bogkart

            one that will be easily challenged and defeated with such vague wording that’s what’s bringing bsl down , oh that and it doesn’t work?

      • Jeff Bogkart

        all formulated using media reports without support of or endorsement by any reputable animal organization and pls don’t try and tell me merritless is credible pls!!! pmsl!!! merrit legitimate!! lol!!!

        • John M VanMunster

          You’re in denial… seek help!
          *** Kids before pits – BSL now! ***

    • Gabriel Barros

      Can YOU identify the pit bull in your photo? HUE HUE HUE!

      • Jeff Bogkart

        what in the heck is HUE HUE HUE supposed to mean?? is it secret code for your a moron?

  • Zbyszek Grabiński

    Jan Smith say it allows child

    • Jan Smith

      One good deed does not negate all the people and animals being disfigured, dismembered or killed by pit bulls. Ted Bundy volunteered at a suicide crisis center hotline, should we just excuse everything he did to hurt people because he did something to help some?

      • Zbyszek Grabiński

        Pubmed Search Results – Dog
        Bite (2005- June 2010)

        Chu AY, Ripple MG,
        Allan CH, Thogmartin JR, Fowler DR. 2006. Fatal dog maulings associated with
        infant swings. J Forensic Sci 51(2):403-6.

        Abstract: We present three cases of fatal dog maulings of infants placed in
        mobile infant swings, a phenomenon not previously described in the literature.
        In each case, the victim was left in a mobile swing, unsupervised by an adult,
        and the attacking dog was a family pet. Case 1 involved an 18-day-old male
        infant attacked by a pit bull; Case 2 involved a 3-month-old male infant
        attacked by a Chow Chow and/or a Dachshund, and Case 3 involved an 18-day-old
        female infant attacked by a Labrador-pit bull mix. These cases not only
        underscore the importance of not leaving young children unattended in the
        presence of pet dogs, but also raise the possibility that mobile swings may
        trigger a predatory response in dogs and thus may represent an additional risk
        factor for dog attack.

      • Jeff Bogkart

        that’s going to cost you all some money Tom Petty has real strict veiws on people using his music and in a hate campaign that’s gonna cost you all for sure!!!! fools!!!

  • Lisa Gaffney

    You’re experiencing the “pit bull mafia” bully tactics just as we knew you would. Don’t you know you can’t DARE speak out about pit bulls without retaliation. The funny thing is if all these bullied media circuits, journalists, companies would ALL speak out, there wouldn’t be anyone they could single out and target for bullying. Thanks for having the common sense and the courage to continue posting your message. It’s disheartening to see company after company, politician after politician, media outlet after media outlet, journalist after journalist, buckle to their moblike brute force tactics. Hats off to you, Mr. Perry.

    • Jeff Bogkart

      if you want bully tactics Lisa you mean like you all do?? like on mass reporting pages?? if you want to see bullying you want to see boofhead or deadfern in action now they’re bullies and boofhead shows pedophylic tendencies, poisons dogs with anti freeze if they look like pitbulls and stalks women and chilfren, poaches peoples pics and uses them in his hate campaign, like lewis,johnson,vidler,mcartny etc !! talk about the pot calling the kettle black and there’s blogs documenting all of it, lisa, you report pages for no other reason then your freinds are your a sheep so ge baaahhh somewhere else pls?

      • John M VanMunster

        Another illiterate pit nutter spewing illegible garbage….

  • Distrubance

    I’m entertained by the the wild imagination and comments of Pit Bull lovers, they’re crazier than the dangerous dogs that they keep.

  • Pam Loken

    The pit haters club…..Hahaha….just for the record Ms. Jan…NO criminal history….I just wanted to save a dog at 3 months from being killed ONLY because she was a pit bull type…never knew there was SO many haters against these dogs until I came on these things, then I learned how really SAD our world has turned….
    Rest assured, I will NEVER come to your town, YOU are safe….hahahahahahahahaha

    • Gabriel Barros

      Your comment, “Rest assured, I will NEVER come to your town, YOU are safe….hahahahahahahahaha”

      *clap*

      • Pam Loken

        I’m blowing you a kiss Gab……funny how perry couldn’t put the comment that was sent to me to receive such a reply….but then, it would only make me look good then…..Journalist….Perry is NOT…

  • Jones
  • Jones

    “The KKK has a similar dream…and Hitler did, too,” another pit bully says about pit-bull bans.

    Actually said in response to a commenter that wanted all pit bull type dogs eliminated from the Earth.

  • Jeff Bogkart

    it all started with this liar here

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  • Astrid

    Good fight Dave! We lost the ban in the netherlands and shelters all over the country are going broke housing these pitbulls.

    • Gabriel Barros

      Pit bulls and their sociopathic owners are a burden on society.

  • Chef David Edelstein

    What I find most hilarious is Pit Bull haters cant grasp the idea that BSL is slipping into history. No DBO, no slanted media or editorial, no hate campaigns, etc can stop that fact.
    Its fine that Denver and Aurora will remain hold-outs as long as they can… the fact remains: BSL is going way of the Dodo bird.

    This whole new attempt: “Pit Bull Lovers Attacking Dog Bite Victims” is an ABSOLUTE BLESSING: It just demonstrates how out-of-whack the Pit Bull Hating Community really is… and the general populous was watching.

    • HarveMorgan

      LMAO, history? Not quite. If you would take your head out of the NCRC sand, you would see that bans and regulation are here and being taken up in many places. Take the blinders off, take your head from the sand.

    • Julia Lewis

      If you think the media reports are “slanted” then you are living in fantasy land.

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  • Joanna McGinn

    Houston may be to the south of Aurora but apparently they DO keep records and recent ones. What is so interesting is that these are totally correct and typical.

    Houston Dog Bites

    Reported Dog Bites in Houston, 2014

    Total Bites Reported: 1540

    Top Ten Breeds for dog bites

    Primary Breed Bites

    PIT BULL 518

    GERM SHEPHERD 253

    LABRADOR RETR 171

    CHIHUAHUA 90

    BELG MALINOIS 37

    BOXER 36

    ROTTWEILER 27

    CHOW CHOW 27

    DACHSHUND 24

    AUST CATTLE DOG 18

    Data: BARC, January 1st through September 24th, 2014. (4 more since then)

  • animalcop

    I’d like to give a shout out to Douglas Anthony Cooper for supplying my husband and I with lots of laughs and fun at Mr. Cooper’s histrionics. In your dreams you will never possess the integrity nor the compassion for all animals and humans that Merritt Clifton has. Best you stick to your two bit articles in the Huffington Post. Please do the world a favor and never attempt another childrens’ book ever again. Thanks, Beth Clifton (proud and loving wife to an amazing man).

    • HarveMorgan

      Cooper is a shrill bought and paid for by Rick Berman. Doesn’t even live in this country. Can’t get anyone to publish his books either so he is after Winograd to do so with the publishing house Winograd bought. Winograd, Cooper’s Messiah, spends not one red cent to help animals but can make a movie about himself, can buy a publishing house to publish his ridiculous books. Tells you a lot about Cooper who follows a man who has been exposed as a blatant liar.

      • DouglasAnthonyCooper

        Well, Pat, I’m afraid that’s the final proof. The only person on the planet who doesn’t know the difference between “shrill” and “shill” is Pat Dunaway. That’s a VERY specific error, Pat. One that you commit regularly on your cesspool of a blog.

        Can we please lay this “Harve Morgan” persona to rest? Just bury it. You and “Harve” are illiterate in *precisely the same way* — nobody’s going to believe the coincidence.

        • HarveMorgan

          LOL, oh yes, that will stand up in a court of law. Who cares, Cooper? No one cares about this except you. What is your obsession with me? Who cares? You lost, you are a loser, you are washed up trying to grab groupies from the pit nutters. LOL

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            Obsession with you? Pat? That’s rich. You’ve devoted *entire pages* of your loathsome blog to me. You’ve stalked me for two years. My interest in you is limited solely to your role as a pet killer. That, yes, matters. So it’s important, “Harve,” that people who know who Pat Dunaway is. Which is to say: you.

            As for a court of law: I happen to think that suing you is an error, and a waste of valuable resources. Your libel doesn’t particularly bother me; I don’t intend to get involved in this suit, just as I avoided any involvement in DeCarlo’s. (But be smart about it, and at least you’ll stay out of prison.) Establishing your identity isn’t going to be especially difficult, Pat: all they’ll need do is look at you.

            It is of interest, however, just HOW intent you are upon convincing people that you’re not Pat Dunaway.

          • HarveMorgan

            You’re nothing more than a blabbering fool, Cooper. You lost, tuck your tail and go away.

          • DouglasAnthonyCooper

            Oh, Pat, I’m worse than that. I’m a “shrill”. I “shrill” for people who don’t like to see you kill dogs.

            And I’ll “shrill”, Dunaway, until they lay you in your capacious grave, and you’re no longer a threat to innocent creatures.

            (This really is remarkable. I went into this area to save dogs, and somehow find myself wasting whole minutes of my time on a rancid, half-mad bag lady.)

        • Gabriel Barros

          You should write a book about why pit bull kill more children than all other breeds combined. FYI, it would be non-fiction.

  • Lisa Camuso

    Hey Solesky… I hear you are trying to pass yourself off as some sort of canine expert. You lose an election and have to reinvent yourself as a something else, I guess. Let’s see how much you know. I see you challenged Chef Edelstein…I want to debate you…how about it ???You failed at being a politician, let’s see if you can overcome?

    • jim

      You failed at being an canine expert, hahahahahaha

      • HarveMorgan

        He never claims to be an expert. He is an expert at sitting beside his son’s hospital bed praying his son would survive his pit attack. And you are laughing at a man who had to go through this. Disgusting behavior but so typical of pit nutters.

        • jim

          That was directed at lisa Beluga I take it?

    • HarveMorgan

      Solesky ran as a write in candidate. His son was badly attacked by a pit bull. So here you are as a typical pit nutter, victimizing the victim. Debate? You can’t put two words together much less a debate. LOL

  • Lisa Camuso

    Aurora chooses to lag behind other states due to pure ignorance and lack of knowledge…they choose to believe false statistics and scare tactics…. “Walk behind Aurora!” The rest of the Country gets it….The truth will beat this down….it’s just a matter of time.

  • CindyLooYou

    Here’s Harve, drumming up supporters to come to his aid!
    http://postimg.org/image/6lpu0bhgz/

    • Gabriel Barros

      Your comment, “Here’s Harve, drumming up supporters to come to his aid!”

      Pit bull advocates are horrible. They do the same but they insult, threaten, and harass anyone that doesn’t believe exactly what they do. Pit bull advocacy even re-victimizes pit bull attack victims. That’s more vile than dog fighting.

      Oh and about BSL. It’s not really a pit bull issue, it’s a PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.

      June 2012

      Effectiveness of breed-specific legislation in decreasing the incidence of dog-bite injury hospitalisations in people in the Canadian province of Manitoba

      Results: A total of 16 urban and rural jurisdictions with pit-bull bans were identified. At the provincial level, there was a significant reduction in DBIH rates from the preBSL to post-BSL period (3.47 (95% CI 3.17 to 3.77) per 100 000 person-years to 2.84 (95% CI 2.53 to 3.15); p¼0.005). In regression restricted to two urban jurisdictions, DBIH rate in Winnipeg relative to Brandon (a city without BSL) was significantly (p<0.001) lower after BSL (rate ratio (RR)¼1.10 in people of all ages and 0.92 in those aged <20 years) than before (RR¼1.29and 1.28, respectively).

      Conclusions: BSL may have resulted in a reduction of DBIH in Winnipeg, and appeared more effective in protecting those aged <20 years.

      • CindyLooYou

        Hmm, they hate it when their exposed! What’s your favorite saying? Oh, that’s right HUE HUE HUE. You’re the Daffy Duck chick that poses as a guy. There’s been plenty of documentation posted specifically for you that shows that BSL is FAILING but keep playing dumb so you can try and convince others that don’t know any better. Of course it’s failing, that’s why so many places repealed their BSL last year and not a single one enacted a new ban and stuck with it.

        Pit bull advocates do the same? Do the ones you argue with create or post on facebook pages like pit bull einstein or dogs suck, or I hate pup-cake the service pit bull? There’s 100’s of those pages, all with the same followers. Do they regularly have people wake up one day and say “you people area nuts and you just harass people. I’m leaving!”? No, they don’t. The only pages I’ve seen that even come close to any of your hate pages are nothing more than a collection of screen shots of things you guys actually say. Just keep telling yourself they do so you can justify your bad behavior.

        You know what the saddest thing is that you guys do? When you post on dogsbite or the dd facebook page foaming at the mouth when an attack story is published. You all go back and forth with comments like “wanna place a bet on what type of dog” or the all time favorite “it’s a pit bull. WINNING” or the sickest “that’s what they got for owning that type of dog”. Yeah, real victim’s advocates you are. Luckily, the world see’s through you guys and you are all but a thing of the past. Which explains your desperation. Bye Bye Huey.

        • CindyLooYou

          I’d say the American Veterinary Medicine Association is as credible as it comes in the world of canines. According to them, BSL is not the answer. https://www.avma.org/public/pages/why-breed-specific-legislation-is-not-the-answer.aspx You already knew that though. Go ahead and say again how they are a fraudulent organization that is bought and paid for by advocates.

          • Gabriel Barros

            the AVMA has no interest in public safety. the pit bull problem is a public safety issue.

          • CindyLooYou

            Oh, I knew you wouldn’t disappoint! The American Veterinary Medical Association has no right to speak about dogs and their risk factors, just flat out ignore that BSL is failing in Denver and Aurora AND call everyone that has a dog that Gabriel, Dogsbite culties and their followers would call a pit bull abusers and violent. Notice I didn’t say pit bull owners, because everyone that is familiar with you culties knows that you call everything from Mastiffs, Great Danes & Boxers to Heelers, Labs and even a Keeshond mix that killed it’s owner last year Pit Bulls (oh and a coyote attack was listed as a pit attack by you fanatics a while back)! In other words, any canine you don’t like is a called a pit bull as long as it will further your agenda. That’s not about public safety, that’s trying to open the door to banning dogs period, with the exception of high end, pricey, puppies sold by yours truly, I’m sure. You’re not being transparent, but since you guys don’t clean up your tracks very well, it doesn’t matter. The proof is now out for all to see. Everyone knows DBO has fallen out of favor with the public and with the media-except for the Sentinel-they let you troll their pages because it brings in more clicks. Since we are posting on a quasi-tabloid, I likely won’t be back to read your reply, so don’t put too much effort into it.

          • Gabriel Barros

            You treat this like a game and public safety is not a game.

        • Gabriel Barros

          Pit bull owners are abusers.

          Journal of Interpersonal Violence

          Volume 21 Number 12 December 2006

          Ownership of High-Risk (“Vicious”) Dogs as a Marker for Deviant Behaviors

          Implications for Risk Assessment

          “The analysis revealed that owners of HR (high risk) dogs had significantly more criminal convictions and traffic citations in all categories except crimes involving children.”

          “Professionals such as child and adult protection investigators, law enforcement officers, pediatricians and medical practitioners, home visiting professionals, domestic violence investigators, and public health nurses may find it useful to be informed about the breed and specific behaviors of the dogs that share the environment with their clients. First, be aware that the dog breed, ESPECIALLY OWNING A PIT BULL, MAY BE A RISK MARKER.”

  • Gabriel Barros

    June 2012

    Effectiveness of breed-specific legislation in decreasing the incidence of dog-bite injury hospitalisations in people in the Canadian province of Manitoba

    Results: A total of 16 urban and rural jurisdictions with pit-bull bans were identified. At the provincial level, there was a significant reduction in DBIH rates from the preBSL to post-BSL period (3.47 (95% CI 3.17 to 3.77) per 100 000 person-years to 2.84 (95% CI 2.53 to 3.15); p¼0.005). In regression restricted to two urban jurisdictions, DBIH rate in Winnipeg relative to Brandon (a city without BSL) was significantly (p<0.001) lower after BSL (rate ratio (RR)¼1.10 in people of all ages and 0.92 in those aged <20 years) than before (RR¼1.29and 1.28, respectively).

    Conclusions: BSL may have resulted in a reduction of DBIH in Winnipeg, and appeared more effective in protecting those aged <20 years.

  • Gabriel Barros

    Annals of Surgery: April 2011 – Volume 253 – Issue 4 – p 791–797

    doi: 10.1097/SLA.0b013e318211cd68

    Mortality, Mauling, and Maiming by Vicious Dogs

    Results: Our Trauma and Emergency Surgery Services treated 228 patients with dog bite injuries; for 82 of those patients, the breed of dog involved was recorded (29 were injured by pit bulls). Compared with attacks by other breeds of dogs, attacks by pit bulls were associated with a higher median Injury Severity Scale score, a higher risk of an admission Glasgow Coma Scale score of 8 or lower, higher median hospital charges, and a higher risk of death.

    Conclusions: Attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs. Strict regulation of pit bulls may substantially reduce the US mortality rates related to dog bites.

  • Gabriel Barros

    2015 Dog Bite Fatality: Maryland Man Mauled to Death by Family Pit Bull

    Attacked While Taking Down His Christmas Tree

    Family Pit Bull Kills

    Frederick, MD – In a developing story, an 87-year old man is dead after being critically mauled by his family’s pit bull while taking down his Christmas tree. The attack occurred on Wednesday at about 2:30 pm at his home on Stonehouse Road in Frederick. According to deputies, Eugene W. Smith was in the process of taking down his Christmas tree when his family’s large pit bull viciously attacked him. Smith was transported to a local hospital and later died of his injuries.

  • Gabriel Barros

    June 2, 2015

    UPS driver recovering after pit bull mauling at a Denver apartment complex, Injuries required more than 80 stitches

    A UPS driver is recovering after he was viciously attacked by two pit bulls at a southeast Denver condominium complex. Ed Kline was delivering a package Thursday at Woodstream Falls Condominiums on East Iliff Avenue when he was attacked.

    “He’s saying, ‘You guys got to get here. You got to get here. He’s bleeding all over the place. It’s just terrible. I don’t think he’s going to make it.’ And to hear that, I’m just like, ‘Oh my God. Am I that bad?'” said Kline.

    Malaya claimed she didn’t know pit bulls are banned in Denver, and said the owner of the condo she’s renting never told her. She said the dogs have not hurt anyone in the past.

    A neighbor told 7NEWS that Malaya said SHE KNEW PIT BULLS WERE OUTLAWED IN DENVER.

    • Gabriel Barros

      From a witness, “the dog was in kill mode, going back and attacking again”.