Perry: Aurora Subway robbery vigilante is a good guy with a gun but bad news for the public

Dude, you’re not John Wayne, this ain’t Tombstone, it's not 1869 and you’re not a cop

And this is what all the testosterone-charged, hillbilly, heat-packing, gun-rights ranting has come to: vigilante shootouts in the streets of Aurora.

Despite what you’ve heard, the only thing we’ll get with more good guys with guns is people mistakenly shot to death, and it’s probably nothing more than luck that kept it from happening in central Aurora this weekend. I have no doubt that 26-year-old Avery Nelson is a good guy and probably had the best of intentions Saturday night when he pulled out his gun outside a strip mall at South Chambers Road and East Iliff Avenue and shot at a fleeing robbery suspect.

But given that, Nelson, who works as a security guard in Denver, made a horrendously bad decision to pop off a few rounds at the alleged thief — a crime that was equally as dangerous and more insidious.

In the yadda, yadda, yadda world we live in where the president is ridiculed for crying over murdered children and nobody much cares that a couple dozen well-armed yahoos take over a federal wildlife reserve compound, the weekend story of a man trying to stop a fleeing Aurora robber by shooting at him came and went pretty fast.

Not so fast, folks.

Some guy reportedly robbed the Subway restaurant at about 9 p.m. Jan. 9. Even at that time of night, with myriad other businesses nearby, the place is busy. Apparently Nelson surmised that the store was robbed, and he knew who the robber was. So he sprayed his suspect with pepper spray. That didn’t stop him, and the suspect made his way toward a getaway car. So Nelson takes out his gun, and fires it into the air. Please, tell me that made your mouth drop open a little like it did mine.

Dude, you’re not John Wayne, this ain’t Tombstone, it’s not 1869 and you’re not a cop. Cops don’t fire “warning shots” into the air like in the movies. And they don’t do such things for a long list of reasons.

Not surprisingly, the man Nelson was chasing didn’t freeze and raise his hands like they do on TV. He went for the getaway car. Police reported that Nelson then started shooting at the car as the robbery suspect drives away. Now your mouth jaw should be hanging wide open.

Are you freaking kidding me? This isn’t like some kind of Saturday western, this is like a sequel to “Paul Blart: Mall Cop” or “Car 54 Where Are You?”

Nelson told Aurora Sentinel reporter Brandon Johansson that after he fired into the air and the suspect got in his car, he was positive that the robber was reaching under the seat for a gun. So he decided to squeeze off a few into the car or directly at the robber.

“With my life and the lives of the community in danger, I felt it was necessary to stop this person,” he said Monday.

Oy vey.

This is what you get when Guns R Us goons at the NRA talk tough at firing back at the bad guys.

Here’s why this is so wrong on so many levels.

1. The suspect never shot at anyone.

2. Nelson only assumed the suspect was the robber. Ask any cop or reporter about how wildly different people perceive crime scenes. Question 10 people and get 10 completely different accounts of who did what and when. No kidding. The man trying to get away could easily have been a man just trying to get away from a place he was afraid he might get killed.

3. If the suspect is running toward the car, he would have no way of knowing Deputy Deadeye was squeezing off “warning shots” over his head. He probably thought he was being shot at. What if he had a gun and turned around and started shooting back? Good guy with a gun and any number of bystanders could have been killed.

4. Nelson said the suspect got in the car and began reaching under the seat for a gun, so he needed to shoot him. That’s insane. If he was close enough to see all this in the adrenalin-charged tirade at night, he must be a worse shot than I am. And if he was far enough away to wing the dude’s trunk and bumpers, he had no idea what was really going on in that car. And what if he hit the suspect? One of the reasons cops aren’t allowed to shoot at people in cars is because they can end up killing the cops or other people after being shot behind the wheel.

5. And the biggest mistake here? Nelson is not a cop, for godsake. He doesn’t get to pull out a gat and shoot at people he thinks are bad guys. He did this because we have a bunch of near-lunatic gun-rights rebels telling people that we need more vigilante “good” guns to fight back against bad guns. Vigilantes are criminals. People don’t understand that the oddly romantic notion of taking out the baddies with smokin’ Glock is all a big, fat delusion. It’s a lie, and it’s only by an amazing spate of luck and bad shooting that Nelson didn’t find himself in jail awaiting murder or manslaughter charges. There is no Make My Day defense for his reckless and abhorrent behavior, nor should there be.

Now I know that this just makes a whole posse of gun-toting heroes madder than hell that I should make the brave and honorable Nelson out to be the bad guy instead of the robber he was trying to stop. They’re wrong. The robber is the bad guy and needs to be caught and punished. Nelson was a good guy — who did a very, very bad  and dangerous thing. It’s why we have sworn officers with badges, training and supervision to act as police.

So should Nelson get a bye because he meant well?

I hope not. Almost killing people is a grave mistake, but it’s up to a judge — not some worried city attorney who just doesn’t want the headache of a nasty Second Amendment carnival in town. If I was the judge, it’d be mandated firearms training, a fine, and community service at a rehab center where Nelson can see what gunshot wounds do to innocent people who get in the way of good guys with guns.

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  • Frank2525

    And just what wonderful solution do you have with your rant, tirade, anger, frustration. If carrying a gun causes people to do bad things, then your scheduled rants do the same for those who will follow you. Nutty as a fruit cake.
    Nelson, and that case will be handled by the police, district attorney, and a court, if found needed. We don’t even need to know about it until courts have time to decide.

    • Cherokee Purple

      It’s tempting to write this man off as dangerously deluded, treacherously naïve, and clueless to the point of civic incompetence. However, he is not alone in his goose-stepping, comfort-loving, TV-watching, insulated-from-reality devotion to the alternate universe constructed for us by the Corporate State

      • Frank2525

        You are so right. I have to wonder just what his limits are? And after his editorials, I would wager his daughter has a tough time with her peers, even now in our PC brain-twisting college settings.

        • ryecatcher

          frank’s certainly hung up with political correctness. “Brain twisting college settings”? I can’t stop laughing.

      • ryecatcher

        My my. What clever wording. “Alternative universe constructed for us by the corporate state”. Did you think that up all on your own in your dangerous delusions?

        • Cherokee Purple

          Except what you see with your own eyes and know in your heart. It’s time to act on that, nothing else. We’re being lied to at a degree never before witnessed by humanity – how are you gonna take it ?

          • ryecatcher

            You have quite an imagination. We’e being lied too. By whom might I ask? Santa Claus maybe or the Tooth Fairy perhaps?

            “Never before witnessed by humanity”. Sounds like trump bathroom humor to me.

            How am I going to deal with it? By laughing in your face for starters.

          • Cherokee Purple

            Thanks for that totally off topic and irrelevant report. Fascinating. You must be the liberal assigned to the tough duty today..

          • Fed up

            what lies Cherokee ????

          • ryecatcher

            You’re welcome. You must be the wing nut conspiracy theorist assigned the commander in chief of asininity.

        • LibbyTBell

          The “two-party” system is a scam.

          • ryecatcher

            That being the case, in your opinion, what alternative do you suggest? One party, three party, four party a no party system perhaps?

            We’ve essentially had a two party system since our inception some 225 years ago. Parties have come and gone. Still we endure under a two party system.

            You’re free to start your own party. Good luck with that.

          • LibbyTBell

            The leadership of the GOPe and the bulk of the DemParty are really just one group,
            they’re called the establishment. There is them, and there is us. All the lonely, lost
            sheep who think one of the political parties is looking out for them are idiots.

            I bet you think the DemParty cares about you, huh?

          • ryecatcher

            I’ll bet you’re a trump fan, huh? You certainly have a dim view of our process.

            If you consider me a “sheep” no problem. I’ll take my chances.

            Have a good day.

          • LibbyTBell

            I’m nit a “fan” of politicians. They’re a necessary evil, nothing more.
            AND NOT A SINGLE ONE IF THEM IS BETTER THAN ANY OF US.
            You can worship them, and count on Tem to take care of you
            if you like, not me.

          • ryecatcher

            I agree with you somewhat. I believe the money influence in politics is a huge problem. But I don’t see politicians as a necessary evil. They’re elected by us and depending upon your political stripe you either support or disagree with them.

            I think the American electorate is smarter than people think and for the most part are aware of what’s happening with money in politics be it from the right or the left. We’re always going to have lobbying in DC and wealthy donors influencing elections. That’s life!

            In my opinion it’s gotten out of hand in many respects. The question is, how do we fix it? You have the power of your vote for starters.

            You’re right! Not a single politician is better than any of us. They just want to be politicians and we don’t. Have a good one.

          • LibbyTBell

            Trump is the only candidate that has spoken against the Citizens United ruling.

          • ryecatcher

            Trump also defended his home town last night which I liked. I’ve traveled to NYC many times and think it’s a great place to visit.

            I won’t be voting for Trump bur agree with him concerning Citizens United. Too much money in politics for sure.

          • Mary True

            Feel the Bern!

          • I sincerely wish Bernie all the best in his alleged battle with Hillary.

            She is the ABSOLUTE worst candidate out of all of them.

          • Mary True

            Bernie has been talking against Citizens United since the Supreme Court made that awful judgement call.

          • It’s a shame the Dem wing of the establishment will fight him all the way.
            If he really wants the nomination, he’s gonna have to take it by force of will.

            Down with the establishment!

          • Mary True

            Bernie voted against the Iraq War when it was not an easy vote to make. Hillary let herself be suckered by the lies. That’s all I need to know.

          • The DC machine has a habit of ignoring the grassroots (aka Main Street)

      • Fed up

        you hit the nail on the head…the right wing, GOP Republicans are all those things and more…..and created the Corporate State…..read your history …. you’re a disgrace to the Cherokee Nation

        • Cherokee Purple

          Right wing / chicken wing , why the hell does it matter ? – This two party corporate political system is constructed around making us feel as though we need what they are offering. They want us to believe we need their expertise, their handouts, their approvals, and their protection. They want us to feel that we are not capable of making our own decisions without their input.Once they create this insecurity in you, then you have become their slave.

          • Fed up

            you’ve really been drinking the good kool aide haven’t you? I know of a 20 ac farm off grid in Arkansas you can go to.

          • ryecatcher

            You feel enslaved by your insecurity? I’m not surprised!

        • Isanyathi

          Always cute when white guys tell us about our place in the world.

    • What nelson did is called vigilantism. He took the law into his own hands and — the best part — with no appreciable results. the unarmed ‘bad gu” got away. So who, exactly how was he protecting anything from anyone? The only thing obvious was an untrained amateur felt compelled to whip out a lethal weapon with nothing to show for it but bad aim and some spent rounds. It is only by sheer luck that no one was injured. Oh, yeah. Big hero.

      • Frank2525

        Read my last part. I said the Police, District Attorney, and courts would handle the case. I did not say he was right, but I won’t say he was wrong either. If that dude jumped in car and ran over 2 or 3 people and injured or killed them, would you still have the same thought.
        ——
        If this was still the old time west, as Dave Perry said it was not, Nelson would have been thanked by the town Sheriff for protecting the other citizens and himself? Just as in my youth, when any adult could adjust a misbehaving child. And Parents would thank the adult who did so.
        —–
        GunFreeJH. Your attitude will get you killed when government changes to its destination of where we are going now. Next step from Republic (Democracy) is a dictatorship, and you will rue that day, just as Cuba did when Castros came in. I had to comfort a subordinate and his wife, when her whole family was exterminated in Cuban change years ago. An experience I do not want to repeat. Not unless change happens faster in next administration, if Hillary gets into Oval Office. You have not seen any thing yet.

        • Fed up

          you’re living in a dream world for sure. And yes, please enjoy what a woman president can do! lol

          • Isanyathi
          • ryecatcher

            Isanyathi. Sounds familiar as in Harsanyi former wing nut columnist for the Denver Post.

          • Isanyathi

            It’s a Sioux name.

          • ryecatcher

            Glad we got that cleared up. Carry on.

          • Mary True

            Feel the Bern!!

        • ryecatcher

          Right frank! You’re thinking is definitely 19th century.

          Hopefully Mr Nelson is prosecuted for his stupid act endangering others by taking it upon himself to play vigilante.

        • ryecatcher

          “Protecting other citizens”? You’re joking! Glad I was no where near this vigilante cowboy when he opened fire.

          Since when is it proper to “adjust” a misbehaving child”? You must be talking about yourself of course. What do you mean by “adjust”? Don’t tell us! We already know!

          You’re a product of the dark ages.

        • The “dude” did neither of the things you described. And he has already been summoned by police on two charges, one of which was “reckless endangerment.”

          • Frank2525

            Aren’t you the smart one now, in hindsight. Bet if he knew that guy was not going to hijacking it out there as the other one who stole police car and drove at high speeds away recently. And I said in my first post that crimps you here, the police, district attorney, and courts would handle it. Now you have blown any chance of getting to sit on jury, along with other ones like you who posted Or will you lie to get on jury, like the guy on last jury I sat on in Aurora Municipal Court. All of us agreed the dude had done, what he said he had, what his lawyers said had, and yet the post office supervisor (male) kept saying :give the kid another chance”. We had to be unanimous with our decision, or hung jury – After we sat for last hour, staring at him, he finally said “Okay”. I will agree too”.
            Then after a lecture, the judge sentenced him to time served already. City attorney at our request then told us, that was the 12th time that dude had been in, for same type thing.
            And you want to lecture the police or question what they do?
            At this point none of us have any bearing on this case, and our opinion is worth less than the time, effort each of us has expended. So don’t blame police, judges, courts.
            IT IS WE WEAK MINDED CITIZEN WHO GIVE THE KID ANOTHER CHANCE AND POLICE SEE THEM OVER AND OVER. (And they have to testify on their off-duty day, hopefully get a compensation day later.)

          • ryecatcher

            Speaking of “weak minded citizens”, frank wins first place in that department.

    • ryecatcher

      “Scheduled rants”? Mr Perry covered all the bases very well in my opinion. If anyone is making “nutty fruitcake” comments concerning this incident, it’s frank2525.

      • Frank2525

        Still defending Dave Perry. Do you really think he is right with his rants, prejudice, bias, against the police, our system, and really scared of guns. I am surprised he does not sleep in the paper office, so he won’t see a policeman with weapons. And you seem to be of same stripe, anger and negativity to others. I seldom see any positive comments from you to anyone, and you never offer any solutions to issues. Why is that? Can you not generate any ideas? Or as stated previously by others, are you in beginning Alzheimer’s?

        • ryecatcher

          Do you think you are right with your rants, prejudice and bias?

          I seldom see any positive comments from you let alone any solutions. Why is that?

        • SWC

          ryecatcher is a freak in his own self – centered world. Don’t entertain him. It only feeds his glutinous ego.

          • ryecatcher

            So why are you entertaining me? To feed your own glutenous ego perhaps?

            Are you not a freakish self centered egotist feeling the need to help frank with his problem. How touching!

          • Frank2525

            Thank you. Writing to him – her????? is like trying to charge a dead battery.

          • ryecatcher

            frank! At last you find an ally. Not many out there to lean on eh cowboy.

            I wasn’t aware you were writing to me. How sweet! Only, what would your wife think about you writing to another woman on line.

            Oh well. If it charges your battery go for it big guy. You no doubt need a testosterone boost.

  • Fed up

    obviously the detractors of Mr Perry’s article didn’t really bother to read it. Common sense…just plain common sense. I trust this characters right to bear arms is revoked as he showed seriously poor judgement in everything he did.

    • ryecatcher

      Amen! You got that right!

    • Aldo Elmnight

      It is common, unfortunately, but it is not sense.

  • Joe Hardhat

    Good guy lacking common sense and proper training. High school rifle clubs use to be common, and it’s where I got my initial training even before Colorado mandated a hunter safety course in the aftermath of a couple really stupid hunting accidents.

    • Fed up

      not sure about the ‘good guy’ but certainly agree on the common sense . I know of plenty LEO with training that still want to be Wyatt Earp. We don’t need joe six pack ‘packin’ they are dangerous

      • gofastgo

        But…..the criminal is the ‘good guy’ in your mind?>????

  • davebarnes

    Chemtrails.
    Blame it on chemtrails.

  • ktrav

    Dave Perry is absolutely right. Gun freaks see themselves as movie heroes so the paranoia and fantasy reaches deep.

  • ktrav

    Retired Lt. Joe Kenda, the Homicide Hunter of tv fame, who was on the Colorado Springs, CO police department and solved 350 murders in his career…

    “It always amuses me when you see all of these idiots today that want to carry a gun. The human body is not designed to carry a gun. It hurts no matter where you put it — and trust me, I’ve tried them all. I had to carry a gun. But I certainly don’t have to now — and I don’t. I have a neighbor — a little old man who comes over, he listens to the press that says, ‘You’re all going to die any minute. Now the news, brought to you by Chicken Little,’ you know? So he buys a gun. The guy’s 78. And he shows me this handgun he bought. He says, ‘You know a lot about guns — anything I should do?’ I says, ‘Yeah — do you have a vice in your garage?’ ‘Yes.’ I said, ‘Go put that in the vice and file off that front sight blade.’ ‘Well, why should I do that?’ I said, ‘So when somebody takes it away from you and sticks it up your @#$%, it won’t hurt so bad when they take it out.’ And he just looked at me … he took the gun back to the store. Good choice. You don’t need a gun.

    “I used to do a lot of public speaking for the police department. I’d say, ‘What’s the position of the department on gun control?’ They’d say, ‘The department doesn’t have a position — we enforce the law as it’s written.’ ‘Would you like to know my personal opinion?’ ‘Absolutely!’ — because it’s always a gun freak that’s asking you the question. So I said, ‘Picture yourself at Mile High [Stadium] in Denver during a Bronco game. You’re on the 50-yard line at halftime. You are surrounded by 74,000 emotional drunks. Behind you on a table are 74,000 guns. Would you give one to everybody there? Or would you try to be selective on who you gave one to?’ And the crowd would laugh, and the guy would sit down. Nobody needs a gun. They all need a brain — but they don’t need a gun. We shouldn’t even let people drive, let alone people have guns. But they have cars, and they drive. But not guns — this society doesn’t need guns. But it’s too late. There are 150 million guns in private hands. I can’t tell you how many times I have investigated a death in a private home caused by a gun that was purchased to protect that same person — who is now dead from that gun, by accident; by suicide or by murder. So how did that purchase work out? Not very well.”

    • Aldo Elmnight

      “We shouldn’t even let people drive”
      Glad he is retired. He sounds irrational and like a fascist. He should go work for Everytown.

      • ryecatcher

        Another irrational comment from a typical gun nut.

    • ryecatcher

      Great comment! Not only persuasive in every respect but humorous as well. The NRA myths and fantasies of “good guy” wanna be’s with guns is put to rest by the comments of Lt Kenda. Love it!

    • Frank2525

      That was very instructive if you are speaking of years ago. Few years ago, I was neighborhood watch for 4 blocks since no one else would volunteer, and I attended the meetings. I knew everyone on these blocks at the time, so knew who should be loitering on our residential streets. Call the police with problems at that time between high school kids, cutting school, and burglarizing homes, with police arresting. But call just after dusk, and told would send police by in about 2 hours.
      Next time I was told that, I said does it make any difference, if I saw a weapon, ;or glint off what could be a weapon. Had 3 police cars in quick time. So at next meeting, when policeman gave briefing, I asked him about that. He exclaimed, “you lied”? I replied “No, I plainly said I thought I saw glint off what could be a weapon”. The other senior folks then nailed him to the wall, verbally with the speeders by their homes, the stuff thrown in their yards, and police did not respond. Needless to say, votes for increasing pay to police and firemen went down in next few elections.
      Now, another question? Was this the same police department years ago, who briefed women that if rape was inevitable, to relax and enjoy it. No one normally gets killed if they don’t fight?
      I believe that briefing is in same vein, as you don’t need a gun. I remember not too many years ago, when campground just west of Denver was terrorized by a Denver Street gang with shooting, and no sheriff or police went up there until next day. Tell me campers with guns, would have to put up with that. I have traveled 44 of our 50 states, in varied campers with family. Showed a weapon, not waving or pointing, just holding it up angle where it could be seen, and the bad guys decided to pick on someone else. Started shooting at 13, now 86, owned guns of different makes, qualified EXPERT on ranges for 26years in Air Force, annual range testing.
      I have not shot anyone, let alone kill anyone. So in opposition to Dave, carrying a gun, does not make me a killer, or nut case, or insane. Don’t even drink that much alcohol, mostly just use for cooking in crock pot now. And never have I used any drugs not prescribed for me, other than aspirin, and cold medicine. AND ABOVE ALL. I HAVE NEVER FORGOTTEN THE POLICEMAN AT MY FRONT YARD FENCE, WHO WHEN I TOLD HIM OF THE MAKE MY DAY LAW, AND OF MY TELLING A YOUNG MAN WHO HAD JUST MOVED TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT I WOULD SHOOT ANYONE TRYING TO COME INTO MY HOUSE.
      He had cursed his mother with names I would not have used in Barracks in 1950, and told me Aurora and Denver Police was looking for him. Thought he was a window peeper. But he was 5.9″ tall, and guy they were looking for was also black, but 6’2″. I never asked him why he would know that, but I told him anyone peeping into my windows, would be shot, and I would call police, and we would then go look. See if the perp was black, 5’9″ or 6’2″, and we would then call coroner to come take the body away.
      This was what I told the Policeman, and he said if that happened, he also would be asking later, if Make my day worked for Police too. We laughed, but both were serious about that.
      I have been relatively satisfied with Aurora Police, with a few exceptions. Thank God and Supervisors, some of those police are no longer on the force, or went somewhere else.

      • ryecatcher

        Imagine! An 86 year old cowboy shooting peeping toms. Takes all kinds I guess.

    • Red Rocks Rockin

      Interesting how one guy who got carried away with his sense of civic duty, and will be properly punished for it, gets extrapolated by a progressive into an appeal to authority that no one should be allowed to own firearms. It’s almost like they’re not sincere when they say that they don’t want to take away the means for ordinary citizens to defend themselves.

      • ryecatcher

        It’s always about defense with gun nuts, right? You must be looking for trouble packing heat itching for a confrontation like the Subway amateur acting like a fool. Lucky he didn’t get himself killed.

        Hopefully he is prosecuted and spends time in a cell to contemplate his stupid actions.

        • Red Rocks Rockin

          It’s always about defense with gun nuts, right?

          Not at all–I agree with you that progressives should certainly never be allowed to own firearms for any reason.

          You must be looking for trouble packing heat itching for a confrontation like the Subway amateur acting like a fool.

          Worried someone’s going to mace you and shoot at you for robbing a Subway?

          • ryecatcher

            Great! You agree with me. Who the hell needs a gun in the first place.

            Never worried about anyone confronting me with a gun. I try to avoid trouble and a so called “good guy with a gun” like the Subway idiot is big time trouble in my opinion.

            Have fun with your guns Roxy.

          • Red Rocks Rockin

            Great! You agree with me. Who the hell needs a gun in the first place.

            “Need” is subjective.

          • ryecatcher

            “Need” is subjective.

            Suit yourself.

  • Aldo Elmnight

    “Despite what you’ve heard, the only thing we’ll get with more good guys with guns is people mistakenly shot to death, ” Reality contradicts your assertion.

    • ryecatcher

      And what reality is that? Enlighten us with the usual wing nut NRA baloney.

  • Aldo Elmnight

    NRA talk tough at firing back at the bad guys.” You should take a firearms safety course given by an NRA instructor. You currently are very ignorant.

    • ryecatcher

      Who’s kidding who concerning ignorance. Ignorance is a comment like aldo’s.

      • Isanyathi

        Why don’t you post comments at the Denver Post anymore?

        • ryecatcher

          Why do you ask?

  • Aldo Elmnight

    “Nelson only assumed the suspect was the robber. Ask any cop or reporter about how wildly different people perceive crime scenes. Question 10 people and get 10 completely different accounts of who did what and when. No kidding. The man trying to get away could easily have been a man just trying to get away from a place he was afraid he might get killed.”
    LOL! If that were true then this innocent victim would have gone to the police rather than be at large and sought by the police with a reward.

  • Frank2525

    Just read interesting article about one of our past legislative parasites who resided in Colorado for few years. Was DNC national leader before present DNC lady with the snakes for hair. When Terry left Colorado, he went back East, and is now Governor of Virginia. The people there voted to accept Concealed carry, but Terry as Governor signed Executive Order that Virginia will not recognize concealed carry of 25 neighboring states. So the House leader stated to press, that with Governor so afraid of GUNS, they would consider bill this month (January) to remove the police security. God forbid they surround the Governor with State Patrol Security, who all carry guns.
    If we all signed petition, perhaps Dave Perry would take the paper to Virginia , and maybe fastgo, and ryecatcher would move there to. All seem to have same opinions or defend each other. I liked Colorado when I first came here, when you could wear a gun in your holster, carry a rifle or shotgun in your car, and drive outside city on most any road, and find place where you could shoot. Land was selling for $1.00 an acre almost from Altura to Kansas border, and north or south. Even the land below the dam along I-70 where people bought and built homes, and buildings that would have been under water, were moved to the lots below the dam.

    • ryecatcher

      Poor frank. Add “legislative parasites” to his long list of complaints. He rambles on and on with these lengthy screeds of confusion and morbidity.

      Funny! I thought ‘fastgo’ was his buddy. Now he wants him to move to Virginia.
      Can’t imagine a scarier scenario than frank with a gun in his hands.

      frank seems confused as usual.

  • Frank2525

    Why do those who are so afraid of guns, support selling Pot, when it has same feel good to brain as morphine or opium? Why would you want so many people with mental and health problems, use pot because they have aches and pains? And then, next question should all of them have their driver’s license restricted to daylight hours only. Would make police work much simpler? And probably lighten the load on courts, and judges? And why did all of this seem to amplify when we got the imports from Atlantic and Pacific, coastal states? Move away from there because of expenses, then come to Colorado and vote to increase cost of living here, complain, and whine about the Westerners who have lived here for generations. Really?

    • ryecatcher

      This reads like something a first grader would compose. Sadly frank’s depletion of brain cells is taking it’s toll. His rambling gets worse with every comment.

    • Mary True

      I have no fear of guns, but I am terrified of people like you… the dark and ignorant side of America.

      • Frank2525

        Then you had better move back to where ever you came from. There are a lot more like me, and we are not the dark ignorant side of America. If you had read my postings, and comments elsewhere, you would know that If not for me, and my peers, you would not be typing on keyboard, and using internet. I was pioneer in 1970-76, to prove this would work with existing internet connections on telephone lines, between the universities and colleges. And civilian world followed our lead, very closely. When I retired, I had installed a TACSATCOM terminal in Hawaii, for Presidential Support, 1974 -1975. In 1976, just before retirement, I was 1 of 3, who went from Missouri, AFCS, to design the satellite terminal for Offutt AFB, that President Bush spoke to nation over, in 2001, after WTC was destroyed.
        So check yourself, and decide which of us is dark and ignorant? At age 86, do you think you can look back on your life, with as much satisfaction that I have, with mine. I taught and managed programs for Greeks and Turks, Canadians and Air National Guard, then out of airplanes, I retrained on the job, into Satellite Communications, with Top Secret – with special clearances. Have you achieved that?
        Who are you calling ignorant?

        • Mary True

          You simply proved more of your ignorance as far as I am concerned. I am 66 and a retired college professor living in Hawaii and I have achieved none of the things you listed. I firmly believe there are many kinds of intelligence and you, obviously, have been blessed with some of the more technical ones. That does not a good person make… just saying. I bet you bat about zero on emotional intelligence like many of the engineer types. My life is filled with love and I am capable of seeing the big picture and know more about pot and drugs than you ever will. Your ignorance in that particular area is profound. You have not studied the experts or have been brainwashed by Fox or something… trust me, you are clueless. And I have no desire to move back to North Carolina. The Republicans took it over and it has become 3rd world like the rest of the South.

          • Frank2525

            One of the dumbest people I worked with in my 86 years was in military, in Technical Intelligence, with two PhD degrees, and like Obama, could not make a decision, because he argued with himself between the two disciplines. — And college professor does not impress me, since so many are more concerned with twisting students to their own egos. I entered service with HS deploma, and thought I was going to be farmer, coal miner, or store clerk. Enlisted 13 Oct 50 (and when recruiter took me to farm to get birth certificate to be processed on Monday at Canton Ohio, mother handed me draft notice, with immediate reporting). (13Oct50 was Friday13th). SS in county, gave me 2 weeks to go Air Force, if physically qualified, and tested qualified. Go Army otherwise – for Korean Service.
            Qualified, and at Basic, my aptitudes were 1 seven, and all others were eight or nine, on 1-10 scale. Counselor (MSgt) indicated I was qualified for training in any career field Air Force offered. Left service 26 year 18 days later with 134 college credit hours, not all in one discipline. But I had worked Personnel, Administration, Avionics, Security, Intelligence, managed complex and expensive military projects and programs, with my superiors recognizing something in me, and assigning me to higher levels, and did not micro manage my efforts. After teaching and managing MAP (Military Assistance Program) Air Force level, teaching Greeks and Turks, Canadians, and Air National Guard, and our Regular Air Force personnel at all levels of management, supply, maintenance, USA sold planes to Greece, Turkey, Canadians, and National Guard. I then retrained into Satellite Communications, 1970 to 1976, worked in DCA-PAC with Top Secret-SI, where we managed all military and intelligence communications in Pacific, for all the military services. Involved with COMPASS LINK, Communications for returning POWs from Vietnam, Children who came from Vietnam to USA, on Ross Perot chartered planes, with wife and daughter volunteering and spending all day and nights with those children, and in process I was Enlisted Detachment Commander of two organizations, closed both when we sold the airplanes, and then after DCA, I had full responsibility to install, train, select subordinates, of TACSATCOM terminal.
            In my 26 years I worked with, briefed at Commanders calls, and in civilian world, to professors, managers, owners, and military officers from lowest ranks to Admirals and Generals.
            So I doubt very much you ever worked with people with more degrees, aptitudes, knowledge, experiences, and in meantime at Perrin AFB, I had additional duty of managing over $12 million of Air Force Assets, shipping 2 sets worth over $4 million to Athens Greece and Incirlik AB Turkey, using my instructors, and signing the trucks, front loaders, and aircraft capable equipment from Base Motor Pool. Then as Supply officer, I completed paperwork, and took it to Base M&S where Colonel got quite indignant. But when I corrected him that they were my assets, and he only assisted me with input and removal from supply computers, he apologized (after checking). I had authority from Air Training Command, and Pentagon folks for that.
            So don’t brag to me about your knowledge, skills, aptitudes. I don’t care. Lot of folks have those, and cannot produce on the job. I dealt with major commands, others services, and other countries. And my superiors never chastised me for what I did, only interested in finished mission. Okay???
            This is a chat website, and in Satellite Communications, I and my peers proved it would work. I don’t see you being able to do that. Reason for not calling others ignorant, or dark side of anything. USA produces some very smart folks who do not necessarily have diplomas to put on the wall.
            One of the Smartest people I ever worked with was Pappy Gross, MSgt at Nellis AFB, in 1950-52. 3rd grade education, WWII survivor, and direct assistant to Colonel Johnson, Group Commander who was youngest Colonel in Army Air Forces in WWII. 24 years old when he made Full Colonel, flying bombers over Europe.
            So be careful who you jump on internet. I retired as Master Sergeant, held back by Cold War between Korea and Vietnam. (And anyone else reading this, lay off insults, and name calling. Be civil, and respect others opinions. No one likes a smart axx).

          • Mary True

            I’m dying. You absolutely did not digest one word I wrote. Bye now… even at 66 I don’t have the time to waste.

          • Frank2525

            Oh yes I did. At 86, my wife and I have been married 63 years (64 in Aug), and my daughter is 62. And I attended classes after retiring, where some of present day teachers, tried to spend more time bending our minds, than they did teaching.
            At that time, I not only attended those classes, but maintained the academic records and explained military, to school faculty, paid by VA through the school, and I did this on my schedule. I also assisted directly with enrollment for the school, and also helped the 4 Directors (over separate divisions) to remove some ineffective teachers. They did not find me ignorant, outdated, or fixed in my thinking or knowledge.
            So don’t get the idea I will roll over and say, YEAH, she knows what she is saying or thinking. Just as one mother who led nationally recognized HS ROTC, and son was a leader, went to college, who then said “Why can we send a non-partisan (leaning Republican) son to college, and have him come back a rigid DEMOCRAT? He entered military, and after leadership training in the military, came home back to his non-partisan base.
            I am not impressed with what is happening in our colleges and universities now, with much biting the professors and teachers in the rear. Students now demonstrating to have them removed, and wanting changes in the teaching. Just as so many Colorado schools on State watch now, for school problems, and students dropping out.
            BY THE WAY, IF YOU THINK I AM WASTING YOUR TIME, WHAT IS YOUR AGENDA?

          • Frank2525

            Wed Morning 20 Jan. Came back and read this comment again. I was stationed in Hawaii 1972 to 1975, where I installed the TACSATCOM terminal at Wahiawa. One of my subordinates, son of mainland Police Lieutenant, was moody at age 19-20. I had him tested often, knowing he was “using” but could not catch him. I warned my successor on leaving to watch David. Little over year later, OSI, DEA, Honolulu police, and Air Police came and picked David up, debriefed him for about a week at Hickam, and he was put on Air Plane to keep him secure, sent back to mainland, where he was discharged to civilian life.
            Very large ring of your Honolulu Drug Ring was collected, prosecuted, and that ring was busted then. So don’t preach to me about your pot, drug knowledge. My initial briefing was at Senior NCO academy, Bolling AFB, DC, by Drug enforcement Officer and NCO commandant, who worked under cover to arrest Drug Dealers, in DC Metro area. Brought a water smoker into classroom, and burned POT so we would recognize it in our work areas. Attendants at that training wes Military top enlisted, from all major commands, there TDY. And wife and I went to Honolulu Police Chief’s office to discuss returning authority to Police over School Truancy and enforcement. ON BASIS OF MY LETTER, HE WENT TO LEGISLATORS THE NEXT SESSION AND ACHIEVED THAT. So don’t sell me short. That was at time when one prisoner in state prison escaped 3 times , and police picked him up all 3 times. And my son-in-law was Engineer in Charge of building – improving Oahu freeways. His father was accountant for Lt. Governor, first Philippino to be executive in politics there. Carey died at age 53 of cancer, and my son-in-law died at 53 of heart attack. My granddaughter graduated from Hawaii, now has PhD, and is senior space scientist at NASA, Pasadena. (she majored in mathematics, and science). Have a good day, and don’t tread on others or tell anyone their opinion is ignorant, or dark side.

  • Ryan Clapp

    As a licensed hunter and gun owner, I completely agree with Mr. Perry’s sentiments. We entrust the men and women in our police depts with the responsibility to use deadly force. No amount of property loss (and that’s what a robbery is) is worth a human life, and these kind of vigilante situations have just too many variables. I applaud this security guard’s desire to help, and I also think we can acknowledge he was very lucky to not take someone’s life over $100