Holmes Trial

AURORA TRAGEDY: Victim list updated, includes slain girl, 6

“Every few seconds it was just: Boom, boom, boom,” witness Jennifer Seeger said. “He would reload and shoot and anyone who would try to leave would just get killed.”

AURORA |  The community and the world are reeling after a gunman wearing a gas mask and body armor opened fire in a crowded Aurora movie theater with an assault rifle, shotgun and pistol during a midnight showing of “The Dark Knight Rises” movie early Friday, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 more.

The suspect, James Holmes, 24, a local graduate student, was arrested after the shooting in the parking lot of the Century 16 Theater at East Alameda Avenue and South Sable Boulevard.

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    Aurora Police Chief Daniel Oates talks to media at Aurora Mall where as many as 14 people were killed and many injured at a shooting at the Century 16 movie theatre in Aurora, Colo., Friday, July 20, 2012. (AP Photo/Ed Andrieski)

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    Police are pictured outside of a Century 16 movie theatre where as many as 14 people were killed and many injured at a shooting during the showing of a movie at the in Aurora, Colo., Friday, July 20, 2012. (AP Photo/Ed Andrieski)

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    A father holds up a photo of his son pleading the media to help find him as family members of the victims of the Century 16 Theatre shootings in Aurora, Colorado July 20, 2012 receive news on the status of their loved ones outside Gateway High School a few blocks from the crime. 14 people reported dead and dozens more were injured early Friday when shots rang out at an Aurora movie theater during a premiere showing of the new Batman movie. REUTERS/ Evan Semón(UNITED STATES)

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    Family members of the victims of the Century 16 Theatre shootings in Aurora, Colorado July 20, 2012 receive news on the status of their loved ones outside Gateway High School a few blocks from the crime. 14 people reported dead and dozens more were injured early Friday when shots rang out at an Aurora movie theater during a premiere showing of the new Batman movie. REUTERS/ Evan Semón(UNITED STATES)

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    Century 16 Theatre in Aurora, Colorado July 20, 2012. 14 people reported dead and dozens more were injured early Friday when shots rang out at an Aurora movie theater during a premiere showing of the new Batman movie. REUTERS/ Evan Semón(UNITED STATES)

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    Witness Corbin Dates of the Century 16 Theatre in Aurora, Colorado July 20, 2012. 14 people reported dead and dozens more were injured early Friday when shots rang out at an Aurora movie theater during a premiere showing of the new Batman movie. REUTERS/ Evan Semón(UNITED STATES)

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    Tom Sullivan, center, embraces family members outside Gateway High School where he has been searching franticly for his son Alex Sullivan who celebrated his 27th birthday by going to see "The Dark Knight Rises," movie where a gunman opened fire Friday, July 20, 2012, in Aurora, Colo. (AP Photo/Barry Gutierrez)

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    Rangeview head football coach Dave Gonzales stops by Gateway High School to check on students, family, and friends after hearing about the Batman Movie Massacre, Friday morning, July 20 near South Sable Boulevard and East Arizona Avenue. A gunman wearing a gasmask opened fire in a crowded Aurora movie theater during a midnight showing of "€œThe Dark Knight Rises"€ movie Friday, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 more. (Marla R. Keown/Aurora Sentinel)

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    Patricia Legarreta breaks down as she describes the traumatic shooting that happened during the midnight viewing of "The Dark Knight Rises," Friday morning, July 20 outside the Century 16 theater in Aurora. A gunman wearing a gasmask opened fire in a crowded Aurora movie theater during a midnight showing of "€œThe Dark Knight Rises"€ movie Friday, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 more. (Marla R. Keown/Aurora Sentinel)

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    Patricia Legarreta (left)breaks down as she describes the traumatic shooting that happened during the midnight viewing of "The Dark Knight Rises," Friday morning, July 20 outside the Century 16 theater in Aurora. Legarreta and Jaime Rohrs (right) saw the movie with their baby when a gunman wearing a gasmask opened fire in a crowded Aurora movie theater during a midnight showing of "€œThe Dark Knight Rises"€movie Friday, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 more. (Marla R. Keown/Aurora Sentinel)

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    Members of the bomb squad and fire department come down a ladder after assessing shooting suspect James Holmes', 24, apartment Friday morning, July 20, near East 17th Avenue and Peoria Street. A gunman wearing a gasmask opened fire in a crowded Aurora movie theater during a midnight showing of "€œThe Dark Knight Rises"€€ movie Friday, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 more. (Marla R. Keown/Aurora Sentinel)

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    Jaime Rohrs holds his baby tight after escaping a shooting that happened during the midnight viewing of "The Dark Knight Rises," Friday morning, July 20 outside the Century 16 theater in Aurora. Rohrs saw the movie with his baby and fiancé when a gunman wearing a gasmask opened fire in a crowded Aurora movie theater during a midnight showing of "€œThe Dark Knight Rises"€€ movie Friday, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 more. (Marla R. Keown/Aurora Sentinel)

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    Media from across the globe sets up shop before a press conference Friday afternoon, July 20, outside the Century 16 theater in Aurora. A gunman wearing a gasmask opened fire in a crowded Aurora movie theater during a midnight showing of "€œThe Dark Knight Rises"€ movie Friday, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 more. (Marla R. Keown/Aurora Sentinel)

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    A flag atop of car flies high Friday morning, July 20, at Gateway High School. Some students from Gateway were among the list of victims of Thursday night's shooting. A gunman wearing a gasmask opened fire in a crowded Aurora movie theater during a midnight showing of "€œThe Dark Knight Rises"€ movie Friday, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 more. (Marla R. Keown/Aurora Sentinel)

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    The Arapahoe County Sheriff Bomb Squad pulls into the parking lot of the Century 16 theater Friday morning, July 20, in Aurora. A gunman wearing a gas mask and body armor opened fire in a crowded Aurora movie theater with an assault rifle, shotgun and pistol during a midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises" movie early Friday, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 more. (Marla R. Keown/Aurora Sentinel)

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    Local police and security officers guard the perimeter of the Town Center of Aurora mall, Friday morning, July 20, near East Alameda Avenue and Centre Point Drive. A gunman wearing a gas mask and body armor opened fire in a crowded Aurora movie theater with an assault rifle, shotgun and pistol during a midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises" movie early Friday, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 more. (Marla R. Keown/Aurora Sentinel)

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    Governor John Hickenlooper addresses the media Friday afternoon, July 20, near the Century 16 theater in Aurora. A gunman wearing a gas mask and body armor opened fire in a crowded Aurora movie theater with an assault rifle, shotgun and pistol during a midnight showing of "€œThe Dark Knight Rises"€ movie early Friday, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 more. (Marla R. Keown/Aurora Sentinel)

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    Aurora Mayor Steve Hogan addresses the media Friday afternoon, July 20, near the Century 16 theater in Aurora. A gunman wearing a gas mask and body armor opened fire in a crowded Aurora movie theater with an assault rifle, shotgun and pistol during a midnight showing of "€œThe Dark Knight Rises"€ movie early Friday, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 more. (Marla R. Keown/Aurora Sentinel)

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    Brendon Hutchinson, 11, holds a sign Friday afternoon, July 20, near East Exposition Avenue and South Sable Boulevard. A gunman wearing a gas mask and body armor opened fire in a crowded Aurora movie theater with an assault rifle, shotgun and pistol during a midnight showing of "€œThe Dark Knight Rises"€ movie early Friday, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 more. (Marla R. Keown/Aurora Sentinel)

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    Local authorities, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and FBI agents work together Friday afternoon, July 20, at the Century 16 theater in Aurora. A gunman wearing a gas mask and body armor opened fire in a crowded Aurora movie theater with an assault rifle, shotgun and pistol during a midnight showing of "€œThe Dark Knight Rises"€ movie early Friday, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 more. (Marla R. Keown/Aurora Sentinel)

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    A police officer consols a friend of a victim Friday afternoon, July 20 at Gateway High School in Aurora. A gunman wearing a gas mask and body armor opened fire in a crowded Aurora movie theater with an assault rifle, shotgun and pistol during a midnight showing of "€œThe Dark Knight Rises"€€ movie early Friday, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 more. (Marla R. Keown/Aurora Sentinel)

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    A mourner weeps at a prayer vigil Friday evening, July 20, near East Exposition Avenue and South Sable Boulevard in Aurora. A gunman wearing a gas mask and body armor opened fire in a crowded Aurora movie theater with an assault rifle, shotgun and pistol during a midnight showing of "€œThe Dark Knight Rises"€ movie early Friday, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 more. (Marla R. Keown/Aurora Sentinel)

Police on Friday night began contacting families of known dead victims.

The deceased victims included 23-year-old Micayla Medek, said Anita Busch, the cousin of Medek’s father. The family took the news hard, but knowing her fate after waiting without word brought them some peace, Busch said.

“I hope this evil act, that this evil man doesn’t shake people’s faith in God,” she said.

Besides Medek, relatives confirmed that Alex Sullivan and Jessica Ghawi were among those killed, Sullivan on his 27th birthday.

LIST OF SHOOTING VICTIMS AND CONDITIONS

According to Aurora police, at 12:39 a.m. numerous people called 911 to report a shooting at the theater near Town center at Aurora Mall. Witnesses said the suspect was wearing a gas mask and threw some type of gas or explosive device and started shooting.

In an afternoon press conference, Aurora police Chief Dan Oates said the suspect was wearing a ballistic vest, leg guards, neck guard, groin guard, helmet and gloves during the shooting.

When the smoke began to spread in the theater, some moviegoers thought it was a stunt that was part of the “The Dark Knight Rises,” one of the most highly anticipated films of the summer. They saw a silhouette of a person in the haze near the screen, pointing a gun at the crowd and then shooting.

“There were bullet (casings) just falling on my head. They were burning my forehead,” Jennifer Seeger said, adding that the gunman, dressed like a SWAT team member, fired steadily, stopping only to reload.

“Every few seconds it was just: Boom, boom, boom,” she said. “He would reload and shoot and anyone who would try to leave would just get killed.”

Oates said the suspect surrendered without a fight after police confronted behind the theater a short time after the shooting.

Exactly how long the shooting lasted is unclear. Oates said officers were on-scene in less than 90 seconds after the shots were first reported.

Oates said the shooter used an AR-15 assault rifle, 12-gauge shotgun and at least one .40-caliber pistol. Police found two .40 caliber pistols, but investigators aren’t yet sure if the shooter used just one or both during the rampage.

Holmes was studying neuroscience in a Ph.D. program at the University of Colorado-Denver, university spokeswoman Jacque Montgomery said. Holmes enrolled a year ago and was in the process of withdrawing at the time of the shootings, Montgomery said.

At least 24 people were being treated at Aurora-area hospitals, some of them for chemical exposure apparently related to canisters thrown by the gunman. Some of those hurt were children, including a 4-month-old baby, who was treated a hospital and released.

Police released a statement from Holmes’ family: “Our hearts go out to those who were involved in this tragedy and to the families and friends of those involved.”

Darius Harvey, 18, was watching the movie with several friends from nearby Gateway High School when the shooting happened.

Harvey said he saw the gas canister and heard the noises, but wasn’t sure what to make of it at first.

“I thought it was just a stink bomb and someone was playing games,” he said. “Then the chaos started happening and I realized the seriousness.”

Harvey said theater, No. 9, where the shooting happened as well as two nearby screens showing the blockbuster superhero flick, were packed with young people, many from Gateway.

One of his friends was struck in the leg, Harvey said, but is expected to survived. Another friend in an adjacent theater was struck in the neck with shrapnel that came through the wall, Harvey said.

Authorities gave no motive for the attack. The FBI said there was no indication of ties to any terrorist groups.

Holmes had an assault rifle, a shotgun and two pistols, a federal law enforcement official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the investigation was still unfolding.

FBI agents and police used a hook and ladder fire truck to reach Holmes’ apartment in Aurora, Oates said. They put a camera at the end of a 12-foot pole inside the apartment and discovered the unit was booby-trapped. Authorities evacuated five buildings as they tried to figure how to disarm the flammable and explosive material.

Investigators believe the  apartment at 1690 Paris St., unit No. 10, is booby-trapped with incendiary and chemical devices, Oates said, but investigators aren’t exactly sure what the devices are.

“We are not sure what we are dealing with in the home,” Oates said.

The three-story apartment building is on the southwest corner of Paris Street and East 18th Avenue, just across the street from Paris elementary School.

Neighbors who live near the suspect’s apartment woke up Friday to bomb squads, SWAT Teams and firefighters in the area.

Hannah Helland, 30, lives across the street from the suspect’s apartment and said when she headed to work around 3:45 a.m. several police officers and K-9 units were in the area. Helland said he wasn’t sure why police were there and didn’t connect it to the theater shootings until she returned several hours later.

“This isn’t the best neighborhood, so when I saw police I didn’t think about it,” she said

By the time she returned home around 6 a.m., bomb squads from Denver and Arapahoe County were in the area and several blocks were cordoned off with police tape.

Helland said she had never heard of James Holmes, the man police say opened fire at the movie theater. But she said she was interested to see if she recognized him once his picture is released.

“I’m curious to see if it is someone I saw around the neighborhood,” she said.

The movie opened across the world Friday with midnight showings in the U.S. The shooting prompted officials to cancel the red-carpet premiere in Paris, with workers pulling down the display at a theater on the Champs-Elysees. Around the U.S., police and some movie theaters stepped up security for daytime showings of the movie, though many fans waiting in line said they were not worried about their safety.

President Barack Obama said he was saddened by the “horrific and tragic shooting,” pledging that his administration was “committed to bringing whoever was responsible to justice, ensuring the safety of our people, and caring for those who have been wounded.”

It was the worst mass shooting in the U.S. since the Nov. 5, 2009, attack at Fort Hood, Texas. An Army psychiatrist was charged with killing 13 soldiers and civilians and wounding more than two dozen others.

In Colorado, it was the deadliest since the Columbine High School massacre on April 20, 1999, when two students opened fire in the Denver suburb of Littleton, killing 12 classmates and a teacher and wounding 26 others before killing themselves. Columbine High is about 12 miles from the theater.

Friday’s attack began shortly after midnight at the multiplex theater.

The film has several scenes of public mayhem — a hallmark of superhero movies. In one scene, the main villain Bane leads an attack on the stock exchange and, in another, leads a shooting and bombing rampage on a packed football stadium.

The gunman released a gas that smelled like pepper spray from a green canister, Seeger said. “I thought it was showmanship. I didn’t think it was real,” she said.

Seeger said she was in the second row, about four feet from the gunman, when he pointed a gun at her face. At first, “I was just a deer in headlights. I didn’t know what to do,” she said. Then she ducked to the ground as the gunman shot people seated behind her.

She said she began crawling toward an exit when she saw a girl of about 14 “lying lifeless on the stairs.” She saw a man with a bullet wound in his back and tried to check his pulse, but “I had to go. I was going to get shot.”

Witness Shayla Roeder said she saw a teenage girl on the ground bleeding outside the theater. “She just had this horrible look in her eyes. …. We made eye contact and I could tell she was not all right,” Roeder said.

Police, ambulances and emergency crews swarmed on the scene after frantic calls started flooding the 911 switchboard. Officers came running in and telling people to leave the theater, Salina Jordan told the Denver Post. She said some police were carrying and dragging bodies.

Hayden Miller told KUSA-TV that he heard several shots. “Like little explosions going on and shortly after that we heard people screaming,” he told the station. Hayden said at first he thought it was part of a louder movie next door. But then he saw “people hunched over leaving theater.”

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Police are asking anyone with information about the shooting to call 303-739-1862 or email theatershooting@auroragov.org.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donald-Smith/1417576490 Donald Smith

    My prayers are with the families and loved ones of the people who were killed and of the survivors families and loved one also

  • Shayloco

    Follow the guns. Where did he get them, was it a legal purchase.  Trace the guns.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FJTGK64UROZL4DVACLYRBPNCHY Jack

       His guns came up as coming from the DOJ.  Do you feel better now?

      Guns are legal in America.  There are no illegal guns.  Just like there are no illegal hammers.

    • Guffas

      It is notbaboutbthe guns. It about mental illness and makes a person do something like this.

      • Shayloco

        Well, if he had a mental illness, how did he get the guns?

        • ExplorationTravMag

          Because the form doesn’t ask you if you HAVE mental illness.  It simply asks if you’ve been institutionalized or diagnosed (I think… It’s been a while since I’ve registered a purchased weapon) with a mental illness.

          This kid had absolutely no criminal history or background of mental illness.  Legally, he bought the guns.

        • Me

          Shayloco – there’s no established record or analysis of the man’s mental condition to date and nothing prior to the shooting that would have raisedd a red flag to prevent him from obtaining a weapon.

      • Gofastgo

        Well, bless him, the poor guy, mentally ill, I’m sure the state can cure him in a year or two, he’ll be able to lead a productive life, and just in case his mental illness returns, he’ll let everyone know by killing a bunch more innocents, but we’ll cure him again and again.  Unfortunate fellow, mentally ill, disturbed, how can one expect him to get along in public.

  • Franz Zegrí

    it’s a shame but is legal to sale guns, my condolences from méxico

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FJTGK64UROZL4DVACLYRBPNCHY Jack

       Obama sold the guns to Mexican Cartels, which killed your people and ours.  Keep your shame for yourself.  You need it more.

      • Madgal

        Wait a minute, I thought people do the killing, not guns.

  • Lise Desautels

    So very sad and pointless.  I do have a question however; what were kids doing up at midnight watching a PG16 movie?

    • Lancejacobi

      Good call. 

      Why are newspapers still allowing comments also?  Most newspapers have stopped allowing comments.  This is very unusual.

    • http://twitter.com/majicmahon Abner Cadabner

      Oh yeah, the kids are wrong in being out late in a public building. Don’t even attempt to embarrass people but yourself with this comment!

      • Al in SoCal

         Well, you’ve got to admit – to take a 3 month old baby to a movie not in the “family” genre at midnight doesn’t seem like the best parenting choice one can make right?  I don’t think they are saying it’s the parent’s fault, just asking “really?” 

    • Nemo

      Lise, wake up and smell reality. Are you kidding me?

      • Gofastgo

        I’ve smelled and witnessed ‘reality’ and if it’s hats on sideways and pants worn below the butt, you can have it, along with the crap music that they play so loud I can feel it in my home.

        Discipline and responsibility, gone forever, in their place, this guys conception of ‘reality’.

    • Me

      Easy. Tots are up past midnight due to bad parenting. Simple.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DLBYA35SCFYTSZZ6357X7DXFC4 Laura

    People kill people, not guns.  Anything can be used as a weapon, don’t blame legal gun sales – they don’t shoot without a finger on the trigger.  Either way, this is a terrible situation, my prayers and condolences go out to the families to have lost loved ones and to even those who were injured.

    • Lis

      Right….  Next time someone commits mass murder with his knife, you can tell us that guns had nothing to do with it.  Guns in the hands of unhinged people only make the slaughter that much easier.  That said, my thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families and friends, and all of the people of Arora.

      • Ividmedic

        If you look at past history, when I knife was used, it took police much longer to ever track down a suspect. Ted Bundy killed possibly hundreds of women before he ever got caught.  It’s not as obvious when someone is out there stabbing people unless they are doing it in a public place. Either way, this guy would of had his vengeance.

      • ladybegood

         on  a september day  some one did commit mass murders in the usa using only a knife(box blades) and over 3000(three thousand) of our folks died.  no guns were involved. 

    • KKL

      Laura said it best.  People kill people, not guns.  The problem is, unhinged criminals can access guns and that is when we have tragedies such as this. 
      No matter what laws are in place regarding gun control and ownership (and I agree with all the laws,) criminals, and other resourceful people, can illegally own guns.  They’re in demand, quite simply.  Basic black-market economics.
      That said, my thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families and friends.  My sincere condolences…

    • http://twitter.com/majicmahon Abner Cadabner

      Yes you are correct but then again, does that make the “pusher” innocent?
      I think not. YOU’RE DEAD WRONG!

    • tony in the UK

      Thats such an easy and lame excuse, of course its people who pull the trigger etc , but the question is why on earth do these people need a trigger in the first place ? . Civilised society doesnt require Joe public touting about with guns, and if honest in a perfect world it doesnt need its Police toting them too, but i know it isnt perfect and criminals have guns , well let the police protect you and let your government have the powers too start taking the guns back of the streets.

      • Ividmedic

         Tony, I agree with you, but then I disagree. Police can’t be there at the moment of a shooting. Many lives have been saved in Colorado because of the concealed weapon carry, and violent crime has gone down because of it. Even if someone is wielding an assault rifle at people, the concealed weapon carrier has the advantage of surprise.  Guns aren’t the problem. This guy would have killed if guns were available or not.

        • Miw

          Well, it seems like this sort of thing happens far more frequently in countries where guns are available than where they are restricted.  Is that just a coincidence?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ODMQFG47BX7TVVK4YVAWTJI6LE Pablo Cruize

            Like Norway or Bulgaria?

      • ladybegood

        need we forget, it was because of england and their greedy land grab for the bloody king that his country had and will continue to have the right for its citizens to keep and b are arms.  if guns are used illegally the  person is dealt with according to law.  we do not need a scabbie toquote our lws to us. 

        • Tony in the UK

          Ladybegood thats quite terrifying logic you use there, Suddenly the British Empire is too blame ? Though it was glorious and rather miraculous considering the size of our little isle, I also know it was far from perfect , though we left you with quite a good constitution I seem too recall.  The terrifying thing here is this  ‘outdated wild west’ declaration of a right too be armed and keep arms, I equate that law too certain laws and edits in the bible about  homosexuality and inequality of females, when these things were written they were maybe relevant and required. Not anymore though, please start living in the 21st century.  by the way all my messages are of genuine concern, not just some foreigner poking his nose in,

          • ladybegood

            uk…you say we left you with a good constitution, it was not your constitution that we wanted, but a florentine that thomas jefferson knew who was a political philosopher by the name of mazzei who jefferson was fascinated with his political idea of freedom and urged them to make a complete break from england  ‘s greedy kingdom.  we are glad that jefferson listened and took his advice.

      • Charles Sirrizzotti

        The Shotgun

                        The ShotgunYou’re  sound asleep when you hear  a  thump outside your bedroom door.              Half-awake,  and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled  whispers.At  least two people have broken into your house and are moving  your way.With  your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick  up your shotgun.You  rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and  open it.In  the darkness, you make out two  shadows.One  holds something that looks like a  crowbar.When  the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the  shotgun and fire.The  blast knocks both thugs to the floor.One  writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front  door and  lurches outside.As  you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you’re in  trouble.In  your country, most guns were outlawed  years before,  and the few that are privately owned are sostringently  regulated as to make them useless..Yours  was never registered.Police  arrive and inform you that  the second burglar has died.They  arrest you for First Degree Murder and  Illegal Possession of a Firearm.When  you talk to your attorney, he tellsyou  not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down  to manslaughter.”What  kind of sentence will I get?” you  ask.”Only  ten-to-twelve years,”he  replies, as if that’s nothing.”Behave  yourself, and you’ll be out in  seven.”The  next day, the shooting is the lead story  in the local newspaper.Somehow,  you’re portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men  you shot are represented as  choirboys.Their  friends and relatives can’t find an  unkind word to say about them..Buried  deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both  ”victims” have been arrested numerous  times.But  the next day’s headline says it all:”Lovable  Rogue Son Didn’t Deserve to Die.”The  thieves have been transformed from career criminals into  Robin Hood-type pranksters..As  the days wear on, the story takes  wings.The  national media picks it up,then  the international media.The  surviving burglar has  become a folk hero.Your  attorney says the thief is preparing to  sue you, and he’ll probably win.The  media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized  several times in the past and that you’ve been critical of  local police for their lack of  effort in apprehending the suspects.After  the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be  prepared next time.The   District Attorney uses this to allege that  you were lying in wait for the  burglars.A   few months later, you go to trial.The  charges haven’t been reduced, as  your lawyer had so confidently  predicted.When  you take the stand, your anger at the  injustice of it all works against  you..Prosecutors  paint a picture of you as  a mean, vengeful man.It  doesn’t take long for the jury to convict you of all  charges.The   judge sentences you to life in  prison.This  case really happened.On  August  22, 1999,  Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk,   England,  killed one burglar and wounded a  second.In   April, 2000, he was convicted and  is now serving a life term..How  did it become a crime to defend one’s own life in the once  great British  Empire?It  started with the Pistols Act of 1903.This  seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors  or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made  only to those who had a license.The Firearms Act  of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but  all firearms except shotguns..Later  laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any  weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of  all shotguns.  Momentum  for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the  Hungerford mass shooting in 1987.Michael Ryan, a mentally  disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the  streets shooting everyone he saw.When the smoke  cleared, 17 people were dead.The British public,  already de-sensitized by eighty years of “gun  control”,  demanded even tougher restrictions.(The   seizure of all privately owned handguns was the   objective even though Ryan used a  rifle.)Nine  years later, at Dunblane,  Scotland  ,Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to  murder 16 children and a teacher at a public  school.For many years, the media had portrayed all gun  owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals.Now the  press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun  owners.Day after day, week after week, the media  gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban  on all handguns.The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months  later, sealed the fate of the few sidearmsstill  owned by private citizens.During the years in which  the British government incrementally took away most gun  rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed  self-defense came to be seen as  vigilantism.Authorities refused to grant gun  licenses to people who were threatened,claiming  that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a  gun.Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or  rapists were charged while the real criminals were  released.Indeed, after the Martin  shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as  saying,”We cannot have people take the law into  their own hands.”All of  Martin’s neighbors had  been robbed numerous times, and several elderly  people were severely injured in beatings by young  thugswho had no fear of the  consequences.Martin himself, a collector of  antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or  stolen by burglars.When the Dunblane Inquiry  ended,citizens who owned handguns were given three  months to turn them over to local authorities.Being  good British subjects,most people obeyed the  law. The few who didn’t were visited by  policeand  threatened with ten-year prison  sentences if they didn’t  comply.Police later  bragged that they’d takennearly 200,000 handguns  from private citizens.How did the authorities know who  had handguns?The guns had been registered and  licensed.Kind of like cars. Sound  familiar?WAKE  UP AMERICA;THIS  IS  WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN  OUR  CONSTITUTION.”…It does not require a   majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless   minority keen to set brush fires in people’s   minds..”–Samuel   AdamsIf   you think this is  important,please forward  to everyone you know.You  had better wake up, this very same thing ls happening over  here,And  there are stupid people in congress and on the street   that will go right along with  him. The proposed UN Treaty  being worked on AS WE SPEAK , will go a long way toward  negating the Second Amendment, because we will be “accountable  to the UN “..NOW!!I understand this kind of thing happens,CBS news affiliate states:

        • Tammy Belew

          Geezzz get a box – Seems you’ve been copy and pasting this in a lot of places. 

          • CSirrizzotti

            Twice, system error. Thanks. Glad you read…..

        • Boobs

           This nonsense needs to be deleted.  This person is obviously retarded or a monkey typed this. 

          • CSirrizzotti

            Who typed what? It’s relevance is to the gun laws in our country. Where do you NOT understand Boobs? Or are you referring to the Tony in the UK?
            Cause this all surrounds whats being talked about over this shooting in Aurora, CO, that’s where I’m coming from.
            Sadly you must understand, your the monkey..

          • Guest

            Well, I spent 20 ears in the service, 2 in the US Army, 18 in the Core. I agree to disagree..With you. Think of it as if “Red Dawn” came about?? You wouldn’t say that then. Good day sir..

          • Guest

            Nothing wrong with being prepared.. NO assault weapons are NOT for just target practice, yet I believe, those citizens with the experience and knowledge base, with security in mind, deserve to own what we are governed through our constitution, are entitled to have. Military, police officers, citizens with similar training. Period.. knowledge and our rights….

          • CSirrizzotti

            LOOK IT UP CJB RE READ THE STORY AND LOOK IT UP ON LINE>>
            Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,
            “We cannot have people take the law into their own hands.”
            All of Martin’s neighbors had been robbed numerous times,
            and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs
            who had no fear of the consequences.
            Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection
            trashed or stolen by burglars.
            So young are you and in experienced.. 4 years on the force.. 2o years here. LOL.. 48years old as well.. You??

        • CJB

          First of all, you’d NEVER get charged with First Degree Murder for killing someone who broke into your house. That just isn’t how it works. Secondly, it wouldn’t be manslaughter either. The only charge that ‘could’ stick would be illegal possession of a firearm, and it’s extremely unlikely they’d convict. Even if they did, you’d get 1 year probation at the most. Lastly, even if the media ‘tried’ to make you out that way, it would never work. Vigilantes go out looking for a fight. They don’t sit there in their homes until someone breaks in.

          I’ve heen an officer for 4 years now, and I can honestly say that your story is one of the most idiotic, uninformed, childish messes I’ve ever come across.

          • CSirrizzotti

            Your an idiot it’s a true story look it up. Shows how much you know. Plus myself and family are all police and military. I don’t blog lies.. Piss off..

          • CSirrizzotti

            LOOK IT UP CJB.
            This case really happened.
            On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk, England, killed one burglar and wounded a second.
            In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term..
            DOES THE GOVERNMENT EXIST TO SERVE US OR TO MASTER US?

            If the government exists to serve us, and if freedom is part of our humanity, how can the government take freedom from us? Is human freedom in America a myth, or is it reality? The United States of America was born out of a bloody revolt against tyranny. Yet almost from its inception, the government here has suppressed liberty. Within the pages of It Is Dangerous To Be Right When The Government Is Wrong, New York Times best-selling author Judge Andrew P. Napolitano lays out the case that the U.S. government, whose first obligation is to protect and preserve individual freedoms, actually does neither.
            The judge offers eye-opening, sometimes frightening examples of how, time and again, the human liberties we are guaranteed in the Constitution are vanishing before our eyes. He asks: where does freedom come from? How can government in America exercise power that the people have not given to it? What forces have collaborated to destroy personal freedom? This back-to-basics on freedom addresses hard questions:

            What is a Constitution, and do we still have one?
            What are the limits to government power in a free society?
            Why does the government attack, rather than defend, our rights?
            If our rights are inalienable, how can the government take them away?
            Do we really own any private property?
            America is at a fundamental crossroads. There are stirrings in the land and a cry that “enough is enough.” The stories within these pages are told to help reawaken the natural human thirst for freedom-to point out government interference with natural order and the disastrous consequences that follow.

          • CSirrizzotti

            LOOK IT UP CJB RE READ THE STORY AND LOOK IT UP ON LINE>>
            Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,
            “We cannot have people take the law into their own hands.”
            All of Martin’s neighbors had been robbed numerous times,
            and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs
            who had no fear of the consequences.
            Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection
            trashed or stolen by burglars.
            So young are you and in experienced.. 4 years on the force.. 2o years here. LOL.. 48years old as well.. You??

          • CSirrizzotti

            “…It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds..”
            –Samuel Adams

          • CSirrizzotti

            HEY CJB!!!!!!!! LISTEN UP!!!!!
            “Gun Control Facts.” By James D. Agresti and Reid K. Smith. Just Facts, September 13, 2010. Revised 1/22/12. http://justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

            How do you like statistics??

          • CSirrizzotti

            NOTE: * Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Ratified December 15, 1791. http://justfacts.com/constitution.asp#Amendment2
            “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.”
            I bet you like “OBAMA”!! Socialist enthusiast…

      • Gofastgo

        To protect ourselves from evil.  The police have guns to protect themselves, not you.

        If you want an unarmed civilian population, it won’t be long before the government will make sure you never are able to stand up and fight, and it’s getting close to that occasion now in this country.

    • jerry

      Even in Tombstone they had you check your guns at the saloon, when did common sense become so uncommon.

      • Thesaint Mailbox

        Americans, its sin, that causes this darkness, and being unloved that causes humans to hate, a evil mans heart and mind is the weapon. Out of a man heart comes hatred, murder, evil eye, drunkness, and the list is endless. Our prisons in america are filled with men and women filled with hatred, beloved, the biggest sin in the world is rejecting God love. Hatred is covering this earth, as black as clouds, and our faith has weaken, as one nation under God, and the question remains have we as american forgotten God and His Love in Christ. Let get on our knees and pray as a humble nation, and ask God to forgive us, and the dry states that need rain, God will forgive and return our Blessing again.

      • Gofastgo

        Common Sense and Good judgement died together, in the name of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.

    • IndyVisitor

      AR 15.  Assault weapon.  I wonder if he would have been able to kill 12 people with a revolver….  

    • Boobs

      Thanks for that insightful lesson on guns.  You will never convince me buying an automatic assault rifle is ok for any citizen.  Owning a gun…ok for the sake of some amendment right…but an automatic assault rifle…NO FN WAY! 

      • ladybegood

        buying an automatic assault rifle is illegal in the usa and to my knowledge you cannot buy these rifle’s in any sporting goods store and to posses one is illegal.

    • CSirrizzotti

      You tell em Laura.. You tell em sweetie, if I may say that, sorry NO disrespect with the sweetie comment..

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  • Vickimclean8

    Why were these two young actors chosen to be killed

    I know Keith Ledger was murdered and the young blonde female last summer. We’re they just chosen because they young or was there more to it to back down the actors and singers in our society?

    Sent from my iPhone

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    From Vicki McLean
    President and Founder of
    Women Helping Men Glorify God

    Who is a huge federal whistkeblower who filed a false claim case in New Orleans federal court on
    1/28/2011 which was sealed  and dismissed illegally by Eric Holder and Obama!

    Keith Ledger played a powerful part in the Patriot movie and then played the Joker in a Batman movie. These killings were done by the communist to give a strong message that Women Helping Men Glorify God and all the good citizens fighting to take America back will not be successful!!!

    Make this known!!!

    Vicki McLean 
    President and Founder
    Women Helping Men Glorify God

    • Rdubs2

      UM, try and stay off the mushrooms before trying to post. Your logic seems to be affected by the hallucinations.

      • mikeyfrom my

        You assume that nutcase has logic??? Are wack jobs like her for real?

    • Samuseal94

      His name is HEATH Ledger, not Keith.

      And also… Uh… Yeah… Right… 

      And, oh my god, your punctuation confuses me!… I don’t even understand what you’re trying to say.

      What are you even talking about?

    • Jennifer883

       I need you to join my club
      Women who think weak uneducated women should STFU
      you will be a hard project …but I am sure you can be saved

  • 5047Marvin

    A contributing factor is GW and the Conservatives allowing the Assault Weapon Ban to expire when he took office. There is no good reason for their use.

  • Dlampma3

    My heart is heavy, it literally hurts.  Please know Aurora your fellow citizens are praying for you.  As a mother, sister, wife, I cannot understand someone with a mind set doing what he apparently did.  God be with you.  Deb L, Auburn, NE

  • Sue in Waco Texas

    Prayers go out to all affected by this tragedy. We are all deeply saddened.

  • Dave

    In response to Guffas, it really doesn’t sound like it is a mental illness issue to me. He had enough sense afterwards to tell the police about his apartment being booby trapped. Probably because he knew he would be in much deeper if he didn’t. Sounds like he had it very well planned to me.

    • Speech_diva

      You seem to know little about mental illness. Mentally ill people can be very intelligent and meticulous.

      • Dave

         Point taken

      • Gofastgo

        We can cure him I’m sure.  A few years under the special guidance and care of specialists and he’ll be fine, able to lead a normal and successful life, poor guy.

  • CntrlPlainsWstrnRail

    What a poorly published article on this criminal act !

    - The written description of the suspect domicile does not match with any Google map.

    - The story interjects information about the movie and it’s showings amidst the eyewitness testimony at the Aurora event.

    - And the witness living “across the street” is cited as both a “he” and a “she” thus confusing us readers as to the facts.

    Either the Aurora Sentinel didn’t send out its own reporter to get the
    facts and simply cut and pasted sections from the original AP writer or
    the AP writer can’t put the “5-W’s” (Who. What, Where, When & Why /
    How) together in a rational fashion.

    I am appalled at this act by a criminal and my heart and sympathies go out to all affected by this event.  But, I would like to know the FACTS as coherently as possible.

  • Carol

    My heart and  condolences goes out everyone touched  by this tragedy.
    May you all continue to give love and  support to each other and know many of use keep you  in  our prayers and thoughts.

  • CntrlPlainsWstrnRail

     This post shows one reason why cellphones should not interact with the Internet. The small screens don’t have enough space to show the article actually being responded to.

  • Irishqueen46

    our prayers for all affected by this senseless evil.

  • Rlr368

    Explosives are not legal but he still had those. People who want to do this kind of stuff will find a way… banning guns or making them harder to obtain will only make it more difficult for the responsible people to be armed, the crazy people will always find a way….

  • Rachel Anne Seymour

    “Helland said he assumed the police wasn’t sure why police were there and didn’t connect it to the theater shootings until she returned several hours later.” ????Might want to have copy editors take a look at this sentence.

  • Dee

    Yes people kill people not the guns. But guns make it easy for someone to kill masses of people in a very short time. No one is capable of hurting this amount of people with a knife, baseball bat. We have way to many guns in this country and it shows. Canada, France England, Japan etc do not have these kind of shooting sprees because they do not allow guns in the hands of anybody and everybody. Maybe this country needs to realize we no longer live in the time of the wild west and grow up.

  • http://twitter.com/majicmahon Abner Cadabner

    It’s not surprising really, when you have Rush Limbaugh for 4 days spewing Democratic Conspiracy hatred about this movie. And it revolved around the vilians name…BANE.I consider this spewing to audiences like Palin’s “crosshairs” speech.
    Responsible people don’t say these things knowing they probably have at least one nutcase follower out there. I feel so terrible for this innocent loss of life because of this possible catalyst!

    • Karen M

      Really??? Do you think this psycho nut case decided to kill a theater full of innocent people because of a blow hard radio personality? Wow. Good one.

      • Lancejacobi

         Karen, I would like to think that the previous poster was making a joke.  Perhaps he was, because the comment was a joke.  But whether he was being funny and satirical or not, what is sad is that the educational system in our country is so degraded that there actually are people out there who will really believe that sort of thing.  And they are sadly not kidding and are gullible enough to take those views as being legitimate. 

        I would like to think that the poster was a conservative just showing how silly and trite and foolish those wacked out liberal views are.  I think he was trying to show us how insane the left is that they actually espouse those point of views with a straight face.

    • Gofastgo

      You’re an idiot.

    • Me

      Now’s not the time for your left-wing vomit. Now’s the time for prayers and forgiveness, Abner.

  • Danilo

    OMG. I live in Mexico and I’m planning to visit Colorado for my Winter vacation. I have never been to the USA.  All I see in the news is people getting easy access to guns and killings everywhere. I’m terrified…  Is the USA a safe place to visit?

    • Gofastgo

      NO!  Stay in Mexico, why heck, you may not even be killed by the drug cartels if you’re lucky.  Repeat, NO, it is not safe, we kill ‘em on the ski slopes too!

    • ExplorationTravMag

      Having lived on the border of Mexico for several years now, I can assure you that Colorado is infinitely safer than Mexico.

      And, since when did y’all start calling it “vacation”?

      • Jennifer883

         are you actually a uneducated douche …or do you just post as one….no travel mag would EVER have a racist old spinster like you working for them anyways…

        • ExplorationTravMag

          Here, let me help you out, sweetcheeks…

          “Are you actually an uneducated douche?  Or do you just post as one?  No travel magazine would ever have a racist, old spinster like you working for them, anyway.”

          There; now that it’s grammatically correct, all punctuation is in place and all capitalization is proper, I can answer your question…

          Um, looks to me as though it’s not I who is uneducated, based on how poorly you post/write.  Go back to elementary school (which you seem to have slept through) and learn how to write.  THEN, and only then, would you be in a position to post on here with regard to education.  Given your lack of it, well…  Need I say more?

  • ExplorationTravMag

    I can’t help but wonder about Arapahoe County’s being soft on crime having something to do with this?

    When confessed murderers languish in the county jail while the family of the victim have their lives remain upside down due to the give a crap attitude of the prosecutor’s office there, you have to ask yourself, “Do these crimes continue to be committed in Arapahoe County because the criminals know there are little or no consequences for their crimes?”

    We moved from Aurora after only three years there because the criminals run rampant in Aurora while honest, law-abiding citizens can’t leave their homes out of fear.

    It’s tragic families in Aurora and the surrounding cities continue to feel the pain and suffering of the loss of a loved one when there’s a prosecutor’s office that could do much, much more to help the criminal element understand there are consequences.  Sadly, they concern themselves only with being politically correct.

    • DenverDan

      Arapahoe County has been the leading prosecutor of death penalty cases in Aurora. I’m not sure how the 18th Judicial District or Aurora Police Department (which is notorious for being trigger happy and overstepping the legal bounds) could have prevented this from happening.

      • Gofastgo

        Colorado has not put anyone to death, and never will again, since Gary somebody who killed Ginny Mae years ago out East of Aurora, in Bennett I recall. And he had to beg them to put him to death or he’d still be around today, count on it.  Hoorah for Texas and Florida, they exact their pound of flesh, and rather quickly, about 10 years, not the 25 to 40 years most spend on death row, conjuring up appeals.   Murderer’s on death row in Colorado, read Dunlap, sit around and spend our money on attorneys and pleas, over and over and over.  He finally got sent to a ‘nicer facility’ because his civil rights were not being granted, he didn’t get enough ‘sunshine’ in his cell.  That is not a joke, that is criminal justice.

    • Frank25

      Please tell us what planet you moved to, where it is peaceful and serene.  Parents have lost the right or ability to chastize or control their children (because they have rights too, don’t you know).   We have closed the mental institutions of the past, so now the mental cases are held in  jails or prisons.  I grew up in the 1940 era, where children went to Lancaster home , Ohio to be corrected by the state.   Police have to be lawyers, chaplains, and juries have tendency “to give the  criminal another chance.”     If you have a solution, please inform us.

      • ExplorationTravMag

        Here’s a thought – how about giving criminals real time instead of a slap on the wrist.  It wouldn’t have changed things in this situation (maybe, we’ll never know) but if criminals would get more than a slap on the wrist, my grandson would still be alive today.  It was a career criminal there in Aurora who beat him to death January 2011.  He’s not mentally ill, he’s just an animal.  He’d been in and out of jail in both Arapahoe & Denver counties.  If just once, there’d been real consequences to his previous crimes, he wouldn’t have been anywhere near my grandson to beat him to death.

        • Gofastgo

          ‘rehabilitation’  another word made up by those who made the ‘disease’ data base what it is today.  Drunks are now, ‘alcoholics’ in need of ‘care’.  The governments are all too happy to ‘chip in’ our tax dollars.

          If I were you, I would be in prison, because I surely would have exacted my justice from the animal who took my grandsons life.

          • ExplorationTravMag

            The only thing that kept me from going to jail was his confession that night, resulting in his being arrested immediately.  That and we were too far away for me to get there in appreciable amount of time.  

            And that whole “Thou shalt not kill” thing…The animal who killed my grandson there in Aurora had been arrested so many times between the ages of 18 to 30, he should have been in jail or prison for a long time, already.

            But isn’t it a typical governmental response to any crisis is to throw money at it?  This program HAS to work…  It cost taxpayers millions of dollars.

      • Gofastgo

        Small town America, they still exist, no doors locked, you know everybody and everybody know you, your children are safe, the corner grocery still runs a tab for families, it’s small town America, they’re out there today, hallelujah!

    • Gofastgo

      Thanks for your honesty, it’s refreshing for someone to actually state what really goes on, not the politially correct mantra of the government and it’s branches.

      • ExplorationTravMag

        I just calls ‘em like I sees ‘em.

  • blatant

    I am so sick of the “guns don’t kill people” crap.  Why does the NRA fight every attempt to try and make gun ownership safer?  I hope the lobbyists and the conservative God fearing Right to Lifers sleep better at night, too.  That gun under their pillows saved no one.  I know, let’s blame this on Obama………………  

    • Gofastgo

      You and rest of the liberals don’t have to own guns, your government will protect you, for me, I wouldn’t trust any politican, especially one who wants to ‘transform America’ and ‘redistribute the wealth’  What in the f— does that mean?  Oh, I know, sit on your butt and allow the hard working types to make a living for you, pass.

  • http://twitter.com/majicmahon Abner Cadabner

    Blame the Democrats! Limbaugh did! This newspaper is sherking its responsibility by not letting it’s readers and families of the victims know what Limbaugh said all week about this movie but looking at the papers history…it’s a Repug rag.
    WALK proud you ignorant, irresponsible editors

    • DenverDan

      You must not know anyone who works at the Sentinel or reads the paper. If you did, you’d know the Opinion pages have a severe liberal bent.

  • UFSUX

    Is this his actual mug shot after the incident?  If so, why isn’t he looking like the elephant man right now? 

    • DenverDan

      It’s a photo released by the University of Colorado-Denver School of Medicine, where Holmes was a student until earlier this year.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

      Your propensity for violence is noted.

    • Gofastgo

      Always the biggest mistake, not killing the bastard.

  • ExplorationTravMag

    Does anyone know the contact numbers to locate family members?  I can’t find it anywhere.

  • Kenny

    I don’t live in your area. I just wanted to leave a message of support and thought others were doing the same.  It’s shameful all the argumentative messages posted here today.  People lost their lives and others are struggling.  Be supportive, not critical.  This is one day when people need to turn off the hate and judgement and just be sympathetic. 

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

    More American Gun MADNESS !!

    200,000,000 guns in the U$A is NOT ENOUGH !

    America Needs More Guns !!

  • Tony in the UK

    Sending condolences too the families off all killed in this terrible tragedy ! It was shortly after 09.00am in the Uk when i saw the first reports on tv this morning, this is an incredible act of evil and my heart goes out too all those poor victims ! I know that maybe just now isnt time for recrimination etc, and I well know with living in the UK the sad results of actions by madmen and terrorist , but i can’t help say ‘only in America’ when I read of a young man so easily armed with the weapons this guy had ! Its now time you guys got serious with gun law ! From here it seems like the ‘wild west’ !

  • Absorb8484

    CIA mind control. This guy will be excuse for more check points. Freedom is evaporating.

  • Al in SoCal

    Debates about gun control, politics,  AM radio, etc can wait a few days, or better a few months from now.  Today is a day where we should simply offer our condolences to Aurora, and make sure we call our relatives, friends, loved ones, significant others and tell them how much we love them.  (Feel free to ignore my obvious political persuasion due to the tag on my username) – it’s not a day for Republicans or Democrats – just PEOPLE.

    • Frank25

      You are so right, Al in SoCal.   Today I received phone calls from friends I had lost contact with, wanting to be informed about my family.  I live within a mile of Century 16  and drove past this morning.  All stores in that area are closed, while police investigate.   Also 5 buildings near James  Holmes apartment which is boobytrapped.   And the CU research buildings he studied in.   My grandson (15) wanted to attend , but parents denied that.  My neigbor’s wife had brother and 2 uncles shot by drug cartel in Mexico last year for refusing to pay extortion.  Her youngest brother and his date was at Century 16 when he smelled something wrong, and was leaving when shooting started.  Collected by police with about 200 others to be questioned, and released.   I HEREBY EXPRESS MY SYMPATHY TO ALL WHO LOST FAMILY OR WERE INJURED.  So this is pretty close for me.   Get off the politics, and the blame game.  And thanks to Al in SoCal for his thoughtful comment.    

  • Diana

    Thoughts and prayers from Lancaster, PA.  All of America is your community today. 

  • Concerned

    “My political agenda”, my thoughts and prayers are with the people of Aurora. Just trying to be like every one else, place the blame then ease my conscience of using this tragedy as a my soap box to push my agenda.

  • blatant

    Jack, I thought it was Ollie North who sold the guns?  Or was it the cocaine?  I forget, you know with all that canonizing of Reagan it slipped my mind.  Speaking of which his did, too.

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  • Jackie Ashburn

    What parent would take a 4 month old baby to the midnight showing of a batman movie?

  • Charles Sirrizzotti
  • Tony in the UK

    I posted a couple of comments earlier in the discussion and i’ve just returned too the discussion having watched further coverage of this tragedy both on UK tv news and also your own Fox news.  A couple of things  mentioned by both networks that truly terrified me, Firstly, 300 million guns in general circulation in the USA, equates too one per person, thats an official figure ! WHAT ON EARTH IS GOING ON ! I’m literally stunned by that figure, There can be no jusitification of any sort for that kind of circulation !  Secondly, the suspected killer bought guns openly online ? again WHAT ON EARTH IS GOING ON !.  The American dream ? it sounds more like a bloody nightmare, it really does and im not being flipant. Both reports remarked about your gun lobby and the lack of any political will too ban guns, in a civilised world I find this incredible.  The fight has too start with the people, take it too your leaders, force change, or unfortunately your society is doomed. For the record things over here in the UK are far from perfect, of course theres guns and yes they are usually in the hands of drug dealers or young ‘wanna be punks’, but that doesnt have all us decent people crying out for the right too arm ourselfs, it doesnt work that way, we are’nt even great advocates of our police forces carrying guns, though with the greater threat of terrorism we accept that when needed.  My point is this, in a civilised world we don’t need the whole of society  having the capablity too ‘blow each others brains out’ !

    • CSirrizzotti

      The Shotgun

                      The ShotgunYou’re  sound asleep when you hear  a  thump outside your bedroom door.              Half-awake,  and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled  whispers.At  least two people have broken into your house and are moving  your way.With  your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick  up your shotgun.You  rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and  open it.In  the darkness, you make out two  shadows.One  holds something that looks like a  crowbar.When  the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the  shotgun and fire.The  blast knocks both thugs to the floor.One  writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front  door and  lurches outside.As  you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you’re in  trouble.In  your country, most guns were outlawed  years before,  and the few that are privately owned are sostringently  regulated as to make them useless..Yours  was never registered.Police  arrive and inform you that  the second burglar has died.They  arrest you for First Degree Murder and  Illegal Possession of a Firearm.When  you talk to your attorney, he tellsyou  not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down  to manslaughter.”What  kind of sentence will I get?” you  ask.”Only  ten-to-twelve years,”he  replies, as if that’s nothing.”Behave  yourself, and you’ll be out in  seven.”The  next day, the shooting is the lead story  in the local newspaper.Somehow,  you’re portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men  you shot are represented as  choirboys.Their  friends and relatives can’t find an  unkind word to say about them..Buried  deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both  ”victims” have been arrested numerous  times.But  the next day’s headline says it all:”Lovable  Rogue Son Didn’t Deserve to Die.”The  thieves have been transformed from career criminals into  Robin Hood-type pranksters..As  the days wear on, the story takes  wings.The  national media picks it up,then  the international media.The  surviving burglar has  become a folk hero.Your  attorney says the thief is preparing to  sue you, and he’ll probably win.The  media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized  several times in the past and that you’ve been critical of  local police for their lack of  effort in apprehending the suspects.After  the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be  prepared next time.The   District Attorney uses this to allege that  you were lying in wait for the  burglars.A   few months later, you go to trial.The  charges haven’t been reduced, as  your lawyer had so confidently  predicted.When  you take the stand, your anger at the  injustice of it all works against  you..Prosecutors  paint a picture of you as  a mean, vengeful man.It  doesn’t take long for the jury to convict you of all  charges.The   judge sentences you to life in  prison.This  case really happened.On  August  22, 1999,  Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk,   England,  killed one burglar and wounded a  second.In   April, 2000, he was convicted and  is now serving a life term..How  did it become a crime to defend one’s own life in the once  great British  Empire?It  started with the Pistols Act of 1903.This  seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors  or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made  only to those who had a license.The Firearms Act  of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but  all firearms except shotguns..Later  laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any  weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of  all shotguns.  Momentum  for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the  Hungerford mass shooting in 1987.Michael Ryan, a mentally  disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the  streets shooting everyone he saw.When the smoke  cleared, 17 people were dead.The British public,  already de-sensitized by eighty years of “gun  control”,  demanded even tougher restrictions.(The   seizure of all privately owned handguns was the   objective even though Ryan used a  rifle.)Nine  years later, at Dunblane,  Scotland  ,Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to  murder 16 children and a teacher at a public  school.For many years, the media had portrayed all gun  owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals.Now the  press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun  owners.Day after day, week after week, the media  gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban  on all handguns.The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months  later, sealed the fate of the few sidearmsstill  owned by private citizens.During the years in which  the British government incrementally took away most gun  rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed  self-defense came to be seen as  vigilantism.Authorities refused to grant gun  licenses to people who were threatened,claiming  that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a  gun.Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or  rapists were charged while the real criminals were  released.Indeed, after the Martin  shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as  saying,”We cannot have people take the law into  their own hands.”All of  Martin’s neighbors had  been robbed numerous times, and several elderly  people were severely injured in beatings by young  thugswho had no fear of the  consequences.Martin himself, a collector of  antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or  stolen by burglars.When the Dunblane Inquiry  ended,citizens who owned handguns were given three  months to turn them over to local authorities.Being  good British subjects,most people obeyed the  law. The few who didn’t were visited by  policeand  threatened with ten-year prison  sentences if they didn’t  comply.Police later  bragged that they’d takennearly 200,000 handguns  from private citizens.How did the authorities know who  had handguns?The guns had been registered and  licensed.Kind of like cars. Sound  familiar?WAKE  UP AMERICA;THIS  IS  WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN  OUR  CONSTITUTION.”…It does not require a   majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless   minority keen to set brush fires in people’s   minds..”–Samuel   AdamsIf   you think this is  important,please forward  to everyone you know.You  had better wake up, this very same thing ls happening over  here,And  there are stupid people in congress and on the street   that will go right along with  him. The proposed UN Treaty  being worked on AS WE SPEAK , will go a long way toward  negating the Second Amendment, because we will be “accountable  to the UN “..NOW!!I understand this kind of thing happens,CBS news affiliate states:

      • Me

        Too long. This could use a real trim. Not to mention eagle-eyed editing.

        • CSirrizzotti

          To idiotic to read, understand what is being said, instead on talking grammar and editing. Because of this incident in Aurora, our 2nd Amendment rights are going out the window.. Sadly there were people killed, yet if were a person there with the permit to carry, he would have been taken out. Long before he had a chance to kill a 1/3 of those killed in that attack. I don’t know about where your from, but I’m from, a CCW man/woman would have done. So piss off with your rhetoric
          “B—s–t!! go vote for Obama..

        • CSirrizzotti

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    • Gofastgo

      Once again, the IRA Always has guns.  The ‘bad guys’ Always have guns.

      The folks in the UK who aren’t armed are the folks who get killed by your gun laws.

      How about this, if the UK would institute ‘public hanging’ for anyone found to have a gun of any kind,  I could get interested in your laws.  But a year or so in prison, nope.

  • Petter Karal

    My deepest condolences to the people affected by this horrible tragedy.  We lived through a similar situation here in Oslo, Norway a year ago, when a political extremist detonated a bomb and then massacred 69 young people in a shooting spree. I can feel your pain and horror.  I pray that you will let love, kindness and compassion be your way through this traumatic time.

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  • guest

    While this is obviously incredibly tragic for the victims and their
    families/friends, it is a good time to raise the issue of gun control
    because when there are no tragedies, the topic goes back underground
    even though we have a murder rate 5-6 times that of other western
    industrialized nations. Our current Supreme Court, with its conservative
    majority, has tipped the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment to mean
    that all citizens have the right to own a gun, as opposed to being more
    about the militia, i.e. “Minutemen” of the Revolutionary War era and
    roughly the National Guard of our era.  In effect, this now means gun
    control laws have been severely limited by the Court.  I personally find
    this interpretation incorrect, but moreover, morally reprehensible. 
    Modern weaponry are no longer about hunting for sustenance or even
    sport.  Nothing is single shot as it was when the Constitution was
    written. Semi-automatic weapons are easily converted into fully
    automatic weapons. Why do you gun owner NEED to have that kind of power
    in your hands?  But if you’re lawful, responsible, well-trained,
    non-violent, fine.  Hold your guns and shoot your targets as much as you
    want.  The problem is that without limits, without required waiting
    periods, and licensing of competency in safety, the insane and sociopath
    also can get semi-automatic and automatic weapons with the same non- or
    barely regulated ease. By definition, the insane and sociopath are not
    responsible, law abiding.  As long as the NRA and its supporters fight
    tooth and nail all attempts to regulate and limit guns, they morally
    have blood on their hands.  (And for those who want everyone to be
    armed, try to imagine a fire fight in a darkened, smoke filled theatre,
    with panicking people running everywhere… and if you say, oh that’s an
    exception, good systems should be designed for worst case scenarios.) 
    Yes, people kill people but they kill more people more easily with guns
    than any other way.  So, do you want to be a moral human being or not? 
    So, how you vote matters because that changes who is on the Supreme
    Court.  And once a decision has been made, then the only way to overturn
    it is a Constitutional amendment re-defining clearly what is a right
    about gun ownership and what is a privilege.  In other words, are modern
    guns (and I stress modern because the world has changed since the
    Constitution was written) more like “speech” or more like driving a
    car?  The latter is licensed and can be revoked for irresponsible
    behavior or for medical reasons.  The latter can at least make it harder
    for the mentally unstable from acquiring a gun.

  • Soquelrog

    As a 66 year old Englishman living the on the East Bay of San Francisco and  please remember the  standard cop in the UK is not armed only special units I just find it  amazing the  weapons like this guy used  are so freely available. Mega  magazines with 100 plus bullets cannot be  defended by  the hunting gun lobby. I have  no problem  with hunting trust me  but this country needs to take a hard look at gun ownership.
    To the families of those killed  my heart is with   you  and I am so sorry for you, to those families  that  have folks in hospital some critical I hope so much your family member  makes  it through.
    I live fairly close to Oakland CA where people are getting shot  almost on a daily basis and I am not joking! please Dear Lord bring some sanity back into this world.
    To all families that  have lost loved  ones in Colorado my prayers are for you tonight.

    • IdahoMan

      It’s sad people speak of wanting to see sanity in the world while, due to conditioning and ignorance, advocate the very tools that are used to bring about such insanity.

      No offense Soquelrog -I’m going to assume you are being sincere- but you have been mislead by wicked people who seek power and control.

      Gun-Control kills. *IT* is the “culture of death”.

      You have to realize what “Gun Control” is: It is the tool of predators to disarm prey. It brings about a society where the citizenry are not only at the mercy of the common-criminal, but also at the hands of cruel, corrupt governments. Gun-Control has been the prelude to genocide in such places as Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, China, Rwanda, etc.(See: JPFO).

      The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a basic human right. It is not a privilege we get from the State, it’s a right.

      When our founders placed the 2nd Amendment into the Bill of Rights, they wanted to ensure that the fighting arms (such as assault-rifles and “Mega magazines”) were to be in the hands of the people by banning the government from even being able to “infringe” on it.

      Gun-Control kills. Having an armed society keeps the peace.

      • ladybegood

        idahoman, that is way idaho is a great place to live for the people live by our constitution and fly the american flag and idaho can always be depended on todo whats right for the usa.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FL53CCZPUSVURPFCPY3Q625TBY Jerry'scaughtTom

    Guns are America’s biggest enemy; when will Americans get this into their minds & ban them? As for those saying it’s not the guns but the finger of the one who pulls the trigger that is to blame, that is a ridiculous statement – to make. For the simple reason a persons mind can snap at any one time & if this person like Holmes has a legal gun/guns then they become killer guns on more innocents. So stop trying to make excuses & start being responsible citizens, or you’ll be talking about other such killings after this one & after that one again & again & again.

    If there is not the availability of guns then peoples lives will be saved in the future, if you do nothing then you can look forward to seeing more obituary’s in your newspapers from time to time & the sad fact of the matter is that those named – may be you or you or you or you – or anybody reading this in America.

    Yes, I may sound cruel, but sometimes you have to be cruel to be “Kind”. So think on…& prevent more killings rather than invite more death on the streets of your cities & towns. Now, you the people of your country have to make that choice, & don’t be putting it off till you’re blue in the face blaming everything & everyone & making the umpteenth excuse when the next tragedy & the one after that one occurs. Stop these senseless killings & stop further death on the throw of a dice, you the American people have to make up your mind whether you want your right to carry arms to live on, or you want future victims to die? That the decision facing you – now are you ready to make the right call? That is the “Question”?!

    My sincere condolences to the victims of this (another one of these) hideous heinous shooting crimes.

    • ladybegood

      #39 i will say this again,  on a september day person(s) with a knife were responsible for the killing of three thousand people.  guns were not used. only a knife.  so shall we do away with all the knives in the usa?  guns to me are a tool, it all depends how the tools are used.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rodney.cole.1804 Rodney Cole

    this hole thing is a SETUP!!!!!
    It’s to clean, to perfect…..
    Agenda 21 and UN small arms treaty says it all

  • Totahsam

    He bought 4 guns and 6,300 rounds of ammo 60 days before the shooting in local gun shops and ON THE INTERNET.  This is insane.  WE. NEED. STRICTER. GUN. LAWS.  Period.  Anyone arguing otherwise are shills for the NRA.   How in the world do you think a conceal and carry permit is going to help against someone with semi-automatic weapons with a 100 round drum magazine and body armor?  A drum magazine that can shoot 50-100 rounds in about a minute.  If we had strict gun control laws this IDIOT never would have had the weapons he used against innocent people.   Stop with the partisan bullsh**.  No one cares.  Children are dead and wounded.  Twelve families are without their loved ones and grieving.  How many more are going to die from their wounds?  How many will suffer disabilities for the rest of their lives?   How many will be traumatized until the day they die?  That’s the important thing right now.  THE VICTIMS.  Not political rhetoric.

    Gun laws are out of control my fellow citizens and it’s time we stood up and made ourselves heard.   It has to stop. 

    • IdahoMan

      *SPIN ALERT*
      *SPIN ALERT*

    • CSirrizzotti

      NOTE: * Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Ratified December 15, 1791. http://justfacts.com/constitut…
      “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.”

    • CSirrizzotti

      “Gun Control Facts.” By James D. Agresti and Reid K. Smith. Just Facts, September 13, 2010. Revised 1/22/12

    • CSirrizzotti

      NOTE: * Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Ratified December 15, 1791. http://justfacts.com/constitut…”A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” 

    • Me

      Second Amendment trumps your political views.

    • Iascoinc

      Your a Moron and I am not your fellow “anything”… 
       Here is a much Better idea: How about not standing in the way of absolutely law abiding citizens in their attempt to buy and carry firearms for personal protection providing they remain to be law abiding and they receive real personal protection firearms training.  Then one or more of those law abiding citizens in that theater may well have been armed, trained and taken the little b**ch out before he got a 1/4 of his rounds off.  Here in Texas the chances are Very good that he would have been taken out before any chance to reload and many would have been saved from dying and/or injury. 

    • cliffordanthonypaiva

      …and…precisely HOW did you acquire this information…perhaps through NBC /CBS/FOX…and perhaps the ubiquitous CNN??

  • IdahoMan

    “Investigators believe the  apartment at 1690 Paris St.,
    unit No. 10, is booby-trapped with incendiary and chemical
    devices, Oates said, but investigators aren’t exactly sure
    what the devices are.

    ‘It’s a very vexing problem, how to enter that apartment
    safely,’ Oates said. ‘Personally, I’ve never seen something
    like it.’”

    Did the Aurora PD drag everybody out of their apartments at gun-point, cuff them and get “consent” to search each person’s home in the course of this?

    • CSirrizzotti

      Incendiaries can be grouped as white phosphorus, thickened fuel, metal, and oil and metal. You must learn to protect yourself against these incendiaries.a. White phosphorus (WP) is used primarily as a smoke producer but can be used for its incendiary effect to ignite field expedients and combustible materials. The burns from WP are usually multiple, deep, and variable in size. When particles of WP get on the skin or clothing, they continue to burn until deprived of air. They also have a tendency to stick to a surface and must be brushed off or picked out.(1) If burning particles of phosphorus strike and stick to your clothing, quickly take off the contaminated clothing before the phosphorus burns through to the skin.(2) If burning phosphorus strikes your skin, smother the flame by submerging yourself in water or by dousing the WP with water from your canteen or any other source. Urine, a wet cloth, or mud can also be used.NOTESince WP is poisonous to the system, DO NOT use grease or oil to smother the flame.The WP will be absorbed into the body with the grease or oil.(3) Keep the WP particles covered with wet material to exclude air until you can remove them or get them removed from your skin.(4) Remove the WP particles from the skin by brushing them with a wet cloth and by picking them out with a knife, bayonet, stick, or other available object.(5) Report to a medical facility for treatment as soon as your mission permits.b. Thickened fuel mixtures (napalm) have a tendency to cling to clothing and body surfaces, thereby producing prolonged exposure and severe burns. The first aid for these burns is the same as for other heat burns. The heat and irritating gases given off by these combustible mixtures may cause lung damage, which must be treated by a medical officer.c. Metal incendiaries pose special problems. Thermite and thermate particles on the skin should be immediately cooled with water and then removed. Even though thermate particles have their own oxygen supply and continue to burn under water, it helps to cool them with water. The first aid for these burns is the same as for other heat burns. Particles of magnesium on the skin burn quickly and deeply. Like other metal incendiaries, they must be removed. Ordinarily, the complete removal of these particles should be done by trained personnel at a medical treatment facility, using local anesthesia. Immediate medical treatment is required.EditReply
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      Colorado StatutesTitle 18. CRIMINAL CODEArticle 12. Offenses Relating to Firearms and WeaponsPart 1. FIREARMS AND WEAPONS – GENERALCurrent through 2012 Regular Session Legislation§ 18-12-109. Possession, use, or removal of explosives or incendiary devices – possession of components thereof – chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons – persons exempt – hoaxes(1)As used in this section:(a)(I)”Explosive or incendiary device” means:(A)Dynamite and all other forms of high explosives, including, but not limited to, water gel, slurry, military C-4 (plastic explosives), blasting agents to include nitro-carbon-nitrate, and ammonium nitrate and fuel oil mixtures, cast primers and boosters, R.D.X., P.E.T.N., electric and nonelectric blasting caps, exploding cords commonly called detonating cord or det-cord or primacord, picric acid explosives, T.N.T. and T.N.T. mixtures, and nitroglycerin and nitroglycerin mixtures;(B)Any explosive bomb, grenade, missile, or similar device; and(C)Any incendiary bomb or grenade, fire bomb, or similar device, including any device, except kerosene lamps, which consists of or includes a breakable container including a flammable liquid or compound and a wick composed of any material which, when ignited, is capable of igniting such flammable liquid or compound and can be carried or thrown by one individual acting alone.(II)”Explosive or incendiary device” shall not include rifle, pistol, or shotgun ammunition, or the components for handloading rifle, pistol, or shotgun ammunition.(b)(I)”Explosive or incendiary parts” means any substances or materials or combinations thereof which have been prepared or altered for use in the creation of an explosive or incendiary device. Such substances or materials may include, but shall not be limited to, any:(A)Timing device, clock, or watch which has been altered in such a manner as to be used as the arming device in an explosive;(B)Pipe, end caps, or metal tubing which has been prepared for a pipe bomb;(C)Mechanical timers, mechanical triggers, chemical time delays, electronic time delays, or commercially made or improvised items which, when used singly or in combination, may be used in the construction of a timing delay mechanism, booby trap, or activating mechanism for any explosive or incendiary device.(II)”Explosive or incendiary parts” shall not include rifle, pistol, or shotgun ammunition, or the components for handloading rifle, pistol, or shotgun ammunition, or any signaling device customarily used in operation of railroad equipment.(2)Any person who knowingly possesses, controls, manufactures, gives, mails, sends, or causes to be sent an explosive or incendiary device commits a class 4 felony.(2.5)Any person who knowingly possesses, controls, manufacturers, gives, mails, sends, or causes to be sent a chemical, biological, or radiological weapon commits a class 3 felony.(3)Subsection (2) of this section shall not apply to the following persons:(a)A peace officer while acting in his official capacity transporting or otherwise handling explosives or incendiary devices;(b)A member of the armed forces of the United States or Colorado National Guard while acting in his official capacity;(c)An authorized employee of the office of active and inactive mines in the division of reclamation, mining, and safety while acting within the scope of his or her employment;(d)A person possessing a valid permit issued under the provisions of article 7 of title 9, C.R.S., or an employee of such permittee acting within the scope of his employment;(e)A person who is exempt from the necessity of possessing a permit under the provisions of section 9-7-106(5), C.R.S., or an employee of such exempt person acting within the scope of his employment;(f)A person or entity authorized to use chemical, biological, or radiological materials in their lawful business operations while using the chemical, biological, or radiological materials in the course of legitimate business activities. Authorized users shall include clinical, environmental, veterinary, agricultural, public health, or radiological laboratories and entities otherwise licensed to possess radiological materials.(4)Any person who knowingly uses or causes to be used or gives, mails, sends, or causes to be sent an explosive or incendiary device or a chemical, biological, or radiological weapon or materials in the commission of or in an attempt to commit a felony commits a class 2 felony.(5)Any person who removes or causes to be removed or carries away any explosive or incendiary device from the premises where said explosive or incendiary device is kept by the lawful user, vendor, transporter, or manufacturer thereof, without the consent or direction of the lawful possessor, commits a class 4 felony. A person convicted of this offense shall be subjected to a mandatory minimum sentence of two years in the department of corrections.(5.5)Any person who removes or causes to be removed or carries away any chemical, biological, or radiological weapon from the premises where said chemical, biological, or radiological weapon is kept by the lawful user, vendor, transporter, or manufacturer thereof, without the consent or direction of the lawful possessor, commits a class 3 felony. A person convicted of this offense shall be subject to a mandatory minimum sentence of four years in the department of corrections.(6)Any person who possesses any explosive or incendiary parts commits a class 4 felony.(6.5)Any person who possesses any chemical weapon, biological weapon, or radiological weapon parts commits a class 3 felony.(7)Any person who manufactures or possesses or who gives, mails, sends, or causes to be sent any false, facsimile, or hoax explosive or incendiary device or chemical, biological, or radiological weapon to another person or places any such purported explosive or incendiary device or chemical, biological, or radiological weapon in or upon any real or personal property commits a class 5 felony.(8)Any person possessing a valid permit issued under the provisions of article 7 of title 9, C.R.S., or an employee of such permittee acting within the scope of his employment, who knowingly dispenses, distributes, or sells explosive or incendiary devices to a person who is not authorized to possess or control such explosive or incendiary device commits a class 4 felony.
      Cite as C.R.S § 18-12-109
      History. L. 74: Entire section added, p. 256, § 1, effective March 21. L. 77: (4) amended, p. 971, § 64, effective July 1; entire section R&RE, p. 992, § 1, effective July 1. L. 81: (1)(a)(I)(A) and (7) amended, p. 977, § 21, effective July 1. L. 84: (8) added, p. 539, § 18, effective July 1. L. 92: (3)(c) amended, p. 1970, § 72, effective July 1. L. 2001: (2) amended, p. 857, § 1, effective July 1. L. 2002: (2.5), (3)(f), (5.5), and (6.5) added and (4) and (7) amended, pp. 1195, 1196, §§ 1, 2, effective June 3. L. 2003: (5) and (5.5) amended, p. 1428, § 11, effective April 29; (5.5) amended, p. 1433, § 26, effective July 1. L. 2006: (3)(c) amended, p. 213, § 3, effective August 7.Editor’s Note:
      Amendments to subsection (5.5) by section 11 of House Bill 03-1236 and section 26 of House Bill 03-1236 were harmonized.Case Notes:
      ANNOTATION
      This section is not unconstitutionally vague or overbroad. The prohibition of the possession of incendiary devices is reasonably related to the legitimate governmental interest of preventing harm to the public and such prohibition is within the state’s police power. As a result, defendant’s argument that the statute is unconstitutionally overbroad is without merit. The defendant’s vagueness argument also fails because the statute provides reasonable notice of the prohibited conduct. People v. Rowerdink, 756 P.2d 986 (Colo. 1988).
      1977 amendments harmonized. Two 1977 amendments were not irreconcilable and revisor of statute properly harmonized the amendments by adding “knowingly” and “or attempts to commit” in subsection (4); and defendant, who would not have been convicted under the language of either amendment as passed by the legislature, was properly convicted under the harmonized language. People v. Owens, 670 P.2d 1233 (Colo. 1983).
      The existence of a wick is not only material, but essential, to a charge under this section. People v. Brown, 194 Colo. 553, 574 P.2d 92 (1978).
      Incendiary device without a wick may be prosecuted despite any apparent language to the contrary in People v. Brown, ( 194 Colo. 553, 574 P.2d 92 (1978)). People v. Owens, 670 P.2d 1233 (Colo. 1983).
      The prosecution’s inability to produce the wick remnant does not require suppression of testimony regarding its existence where a good faith effort was made to preserve it pursuant to standard fire department procedures and the investigator who observed the wick remnant is available for examination. People v. Brown, 194 Colo. 553, 574 P.2d 92 (1978).
      “Explosive or incendiary” includes items which in themselves are not explosive or incendiary, but which have been prepared or altered for use in the creation of an explosive or incendiary device. People v. Lovato, 630 P.2d 597 (Colo. 1981).
      Blasting cap within ambit of “other forms of high explosives”. The material in a blasting cap is classified as a high explosive and, thus, falls within the ambit of “other forms of high explosives” which are expressly included in this section’s definition of explosive or incendiary devices. People v. Lovato, 630 P.2d 597 (Colo. 1981).
      Phrase “including any device” defined. The phrase “which consists of or includes a breakable container including a flammable liquid or compound and a wick” is not a limitation on all devices proscribed by this section, but instead defines the phrase “including any device”. The statute thus proscribes the use of any incendiary bomb or grenade, including one with a wick and a breakable container. People v. Owens, 670 P.2d 1233 (Colo. 1983).
      Proscribed conduct unlike fourth degree arson. This section does not deny equal protection by proscribing the same conduct as the fourth degree arson statute yet carrying a substantially greater penalty; the elements of each offense and the mental states required are different. People v. Owens, 670 P.2d 1233 (Colo. 1983).
      Applied in Miller v. District Court, 193 Colo. 404, 566 P.2d 1063 (1977); People v. Stoppel, 637 P.2d 384 (Colo. 1981).Hope that helps..

    • CSirrizzotti

      Incendiaries can be grouped as white phosphorus, thickened fuel, metal, and oil and metal. You must learn to protect yourself against these incendiaries.a. White phosphorus (WP) is used primarily as a smoke producer but can be used for its incendiary effect to ignite field expedients and combustible materials. The burns from WP are usually multiple, deep, and variable in size. When particles of WP get on the skin or clothing, they continue to burn until deprived of air. They also have a tendency to stick to a surface and must be brushed off or picked out.
      (1) If burning particles of phosphorus strike and stick to your clothing, quickly take off the contaminated clothing before the phosphorus burns through to the skin.(2) If burning phosphorus strikes your skin, smother the flame by submerging yourself in water or by dousing the WP with water from your canteen or any other source. Urine, a wet cloth, or mud can also be used.
      NOTE
      Since WP is poisonous to the system, DO NOT use grease or oil to smother the flame.The WP will be absorbed into the body with the grease or oil.
      (3) Keep the WP particles covered with wet material to exclude air until you can remove them or get them removed from your skin.(4) Remove the WP particles from the skin by brushing them with a wet cloth and by picking them out with a knife, bayonet, stick, or other available object.(5) Report to a medical facility for treatment as soon as your mission permits.b. Thickened fuel mixtures (napalm) have a tendency to cling to clothing and body surfaces, thereby producing prolonged exposure and severe burns. The first aid for these burns is the same as for other heat burns. The heat and irritating gases given off by these combustible mixtures may cause lung damage, which must be treated by a medical officer.c. Metal incendiaries pose special problems. Thermite and thermate particles on the skin should be immediately cooled with water and then removed. Even though thermate particles have their own oxygen supply and continue to burn under water, it helps to cool them with water. The first aid for these burns is the same as for other heat burns. Particles of magnesium on the skin burn quickly and deeply. Like other metal incendiaries, they must be removed. Ordinarily, the complete removal of these particles should be done by trained personnel at a medical treatment facility, using local anesthesia. Immediate medical treatment is required.

  • CSirrizzotti

    Archive
    Colorado StatutesTitle 18. CRIMINAL CODEArticle 12. Offenses Relating to Firearms and WeaponsPart 1. FIREARMS AND WEAPONS – GENERALCurrent through 2012 Regular Session Legislation§ 18-12-109. Possession, use, or removal of explosives or incendiary devices – possession of components thereof – chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons – persons exempt – hoaxes

    (1)As used in this section:(a)(I)”Explosive or incendiary device” means:(A)Dynamite and all other forms of high explosives, including, but not limited to, water gel, slurry, military C-4 (plastic explosives), blasting agents to include nitro-carbon-nitrate, and ammonium nitrate and fuel oil mixtures, cast primers and boosters, R.D.X., P.E.T.N., electric and nonelectric blasting caps, exploding cords commonly called detonating cord or det-cord or primacord, picric acid explosives, T.N.T. and T.N.T. mixtures, and nitroglycerin and nitroglycerin mixtures;(B)Any explosive bomb, grenade, missile, or similar device; and(C)Any incendiary bomb or grenade, fire bomb, or similar device, including any device, except kerosene lamps, which consists of or includes a breakable container including a flammable liquid or compound and a wick composed of any material which, when ignited, is capable of igniting such flammable liquid or compound and can be carried or thrown by one individual acting alone.(II)”Explosive or incendiary device” shall not include rifle, pistol, or shotgun ammunition, or the components for handloading rifle, pistol, or shotgun ammunition.(b)(I)”Explosive or incendiary parts” means any substances or materials or combinations thereof which have been prepared or altered for use in the creation of an explosive or incendiary device. Such substances or materials may include, but shall not be limited to, any:(A)Timing device, clock, or watch which has been altered in such a manner as to be used as the arming device in an explosive;(B)Pipe, end caps, or metal tubing which has been prepared for a pipe bomb;(C)Mechanical timers, mechanical triggers, chemical time delays, electronic time delays, or commercially made or improvised items which, when used singly or in combination, may be used in the construction of a timing delay mechanism, booby trap, or activating mechanism for any explosive or incendiary device.(II)”Explosive or incendiary parts” shall not include rifle, pistol, or shotgun ammunition, or the components for handloading rifle, pistol, or shotgun ammunition, or any signaling device customarily used in operation of railroad equipment.(2)Any person who knowingly possesses, controls, manufactures, gives, mails, sends, or causes to be sent an explosive or incendiary device commits a class 4 felony.(2.5)Any person who knowingly possesses, controls, manufacturers, gives, mails, sends, or causes to be sent a chemical, biological, or radiological weapon commits a class 3 felony.(3)Subsection (2) of this section shall not apply to the following persons:(a)A peace officer while acting in his official capacity transporting or otherwise handling explosives or incendiary devices;(b)A member of the armed forces of the United States or Colorado National Guard while acting in his official capacity;(c)An authorized employee of the office of active and inactive mines in the division of reclamation, mining, and safety while acting within the scope of his or her employment;(d)A person possessing a valid permit issued under the provisions of article 7 of title 9, C.R.S., or an employee of such permittee acting within the scope of his employment;(e)A person who is exempt from the necessity of possessing a permit under the provisions of section 9-7-106(5), C.R.S., or an employee of such exempt person acting within the scope of his employment;(f)A person or entity authorized to use chemical, biological, or radiological materials in their lawful business operations while using the chemical, biological, or radiological materials in the course of legitimate business activities. Authorized users shall include clinical, environmental, veterinary, agricultural, public health, or radiological laboratories and entities otherwise licensed to possess radiological materials.(4)Any person who knowingly uses or causes to be used or gives, mails, sends, or causes to be sent an explosive or incendiary device or a chemical, biological, or radiological weapon or materials in the commission of or in an attempt to commit a felony commits a class 2 felony.(5)Any person who removes or causes to be removed or carries away any explosive or incendiary device from the premises where said explosive or incendiary device is kept by the lawful user, vendor, transporter, or manufacturer thereof, without the consent or direction of the lawful possessor, commits a class 4 felony. A person convicted of this offense shall be subjected to a mandatory minimum sentence of two years in the department of corrections.(5.5)Any person who removes or causes to be removed or carries away any chemical, biological, or radiological weapon from the premises where said chemical, biological, or radiological weapon is kept by the lawful user, vendor, transporter, or manufacturer thereof, without the consent or direction of the lawful possessor, commits a class 3 felony. A person convicted of this offense shall be subject to a mandatory minimum sentence of four years in the department of corrections.(6)Any person who possesses any explosive or incendiary parts commits a class 4 felony.(6.5)Any person who possesses any chemical weapon, biological weapon, or radiological weapon parts commits a class 3 felony.(7)Any person who manufactures or possesses or who gives, mails, sends, or causes to be sent any false, facsimile, or hoax explosive or incendiary device or chemical, biological, or radiological weapon to another person or places any such purported explosive or incendiary device or chemical, biological, or radiological weapon in or upon any real or personal property commits a class 5 felony.(8)Any person possessing a valid permit issued under the provisions of article 7 of title 9, C.R.S., or an employee of such permittee acting within the scope of his employment, who knowingly dispenses, distributes, or sells explosive or incendiary devices to a person who is not authorized to possess or control such explosive or incendiary device commits a class 4 felony.
    Cite as C.R.S § 18-12-109
    History. L. 74: Entire section added, p. 256, § 1, effective March 21. L. 77: (4) amended, p. 971, § 64, effective July 1; entire section R&RE, p. 992, § 1, effective July 1. L. 81: (1)(a)(I)(A) and (7) amended, p. 977, § 21, effective July 1. L. 84: (8) added, p. 539, § 18, effective July 1. L. 92: (3)(c) amended, p. 1970, § 72, effective July 1. L. 2001: (2) amended, p. 857, § 1, effective July 1. L. 2002: (2.5), (3)(f), (5.5), and (6.5) added and (4) and (7) amended, pp. 1195, 1196, §§ 1, 2, effective June 3. L. 2003: (5) and (5.5) amended, p. 1428, § 11, effective April 29; (5.5) amended, p. 1433, § 26, effective July 1. L. 2006: (3)(c) amended, p. 213, § 3, effective August 7.Editor’s Note:
    Amendments to subsection (5.5) by section 11 of House Bill 03-1236 and section 26 of House Bill 03-1236 were harmonized.

    Case Notes:
    ANNOTATION
    This section is not unconstitutionally vague or overbroad. The prohibition of the possession of incendiary devices is reasonably related to the legitimate governmental interest of preventing harm to the public and such prohibition is within the state’s police power. As a result, defendant’s argument that the statute is unconstitutionally overbroad is without merit. The defendant’s vagueness argument also fails because the statute provides reasonable notice of the prohibited conduct. People v. Rowerdink, 756 P.2d 986 (Colo. 1988).
    1977 amendments harmonized. Two 1977 amendments were not irreconcilable and revisor of statute properly harmonized the amendments by adding “knowingly” and “or attempts to commit” in subsection (4); and defendant, who would not have been convicted under the language of either amendment as passed by the legislature, was properly convicted under the harmonized language. People v. Owens, 670 P.2d 1233 (Colo. 1983).
    The existence of a wick is not only material, but essential, to a charge under this section. People v. Brown, 194 Colo. 553, 574 P.2d 92 (1978).
    Incendiary device without a wick may be prosecuted despite any apparent language to the contrary in People v. Brown, ( 194 Colo. 553, 574 P.2d 92 (1978)). People v. Owens, 670 P.2d 1233 (Colo. 1983).
    The prosecution’s inability to produce the wick remnant does not require suppression of testimony regarding its existence where a good faith effort was made to preserve it pursuant to standard fire department procedures and the investigator who observed the wick remnant is available for examination. People v. Brown, 194 Colo. 553, 574 P.2d 92 (1978).
    “Explosive or incendiary” includes items which in themselves are not explosive or incendiary, but which have been prepared or altered for use in the creation of an explosive or incendiary device. People v. Lovato, 630 P.2d 597 (Colo. 1981).
    Blasting cap within ambit of “other forms of high explosives”. The material in a blasting cap is classified as a high explosive and, thus, falls within the ambit of “other forms of high explosives” which are expressly included in this section’s definition of explosive or incendiary devices. People v. Lovato, 630 P.2d 597 (Colo. 1981).
    Phrase “including any device” defined. The phrase “which consists of or includes a breakable container including a flammable liquid or compound and a wick” is not a limitation on all devices proscribed by this section, but instead defines the phrase “including any device”. The statute thus proscribes the use of any incendiary bomb or grenade, including one with a wick and a breakable container. People v. Owens, 670 P.2d 1233 (Colo. 1983).
    Proscribed conduct unlike fourth degree arson. This section does not deny equal protection by proscribing the same conduct as the fourth degree arson statute yet carrying a substantially greater penalty; the elements of each offense and the mental states required are different. People v. Owens, 670 P.2d 1233 (Colo. 1983).
    Applied in Miller v. District Court, 193 Colo. 404, 566 P.2d 1063 (1977); People v. Stoppel, 637 P.2d 384 (Colo. 1981).

    Hope that helps..

  • IdahoMan

    The shameless, phony, bloodancing spinning/lying gun-control shills are out in full force it seems.

    Forget it you wolves, people know what you and your kind are all about.

  • CSirrizzotti

    Incendiaries can be grouped as white phosphorus, thickened fuel, metal, and oil and metal. You must learn to protect yourself against these incendiaries.a. White phosphorus (WP) is used primarily as a smoke producer but can be used for its incendiary effect to ignite field expedients and combustible materials. The burns from WP are usually multiple, deep, and variable in size. When particles of WP get on the skin or clothing, they continue to burn until deprived of air. They also have a tendency to stick to a surface and must be brushed off or picked out.

    (1) If burning particles of phosphorus strike and stick to your clothing, quickly take off the contaminated clothing before the phosphorus burns through to the skin.(2) If burning phosphorus strikes your skin, smother the flame by submerging yourself in water or by dousing the WP with water from your canteen or any other source. Urine, a wet cloth, or mud can also be used.

    NOTE

    Since WP is poisonous to the system, DO NOT use grease or oil to smother the flame.The WP will be absorbed into the body with the grease or oil.

    (3) Keep the WP particles covered with wet material to exclude air until you can remove them or get them removed from your skin.(4) Remove the WP particles from the skin by brushing them with a wet cloth and by picking them out with a knife, bayonet, stick, or other available object.(5) Report to a medical facility for treatment as soon as your mission permits.
    b. Thickened fuel mixtures (napalm) have a tendency to cling to clothing and body surfaces, thereby producing prolonged exposure and severe burns. The first aid for these burns is the same as for other heat burns. The heat and irritating gases given off by these combustible mixtures may cause lung damage, which must be treated by a medical officer.
    c. Metal incendiaries pose special problems. Thermite and thermate particles on the skin should be immediately cooled with water and then removed. Even though thermate particles have their own oxygen supply and continue to burn under water, it helps to cool them with water. The first aid for these burns is the same as for other heat burns. Particles of magnesium on the skin burn quickly and deeply. Like other metal incendiaries, they must be removed. Ordinarily, the complete removal of these particles should be done by trained personnel at a medical treatment facility, using local anesthesia. Immediate medical treatment is required.

  • IdahoMan

    “Oates said the shooter used an AR-15 assault rifle…”

    Really? It was a fully-automatic/select-fire arm that fired an intermediate cartridge?

    Or was it a semi-automatic variant?

  • Prayers are with the families

    I agree that children should not of been allowed at PG16 movie. What responsible adult allows their little kids go out at midnight. They need to be in bed getting their needed sleep… and not exposing them to all this violence. Again, in a senseless tragic situation we hear people and his family say things like they knew they had the right person and that he was someone that did not surprise them do this. When are these people going to report the strange behaviors and when are the authorities going to take these reports seriously to protect these situations. To the families my sympathy and hope that you will get the information on your loved one soon. I can not imagine losing my child as many of you have… 

  • CSirrizzotti

    In ALL context, my heart goes out to ALL the families who lost loved ones. This was a senseless psychotic, unthinkable incident.. Just it should NOT impede our 2nd Amendment..

  • CSirrizzotti

    Am I listening to a bunch of free loathing US immigrants, or what? This country was built on carrying and using weapons, it’s people like you who should let OBAMA take care of you!! Fight for yourselves, or let the government do it for you.. I think the latter…. Conservative, or liberal, doesn’t matter, your living in the land of the free, or are you?????????????????/

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1801096576 Alex Montalvo

    What strikes me the most about this is when the alleged perpetrator’s mother was contacted about this the mother said “You’ve got the right person”…  When this sort of tragedy happens the typical response from mothers seems to be “He couldn’t have done this…he’s a good boy, he wouldn’t hurt anybody…”

    If indeed this is true, and this is a developing story…what was it about this horrific situation that didn’t phase his own mother?

    Did he experience some sort of mental breakdown at the time he withdrew from that lofty PHD Neuroscience program?

    Guns don’t kill people, unstable people with guns kill people.  Guns are an inanimate object that necessitate a human being to execute it.

    How do you screen a lunatic from buying a gun?

    How do you keep a drunk from getting behind a car and driving drunk?

    Do we ban cars because they are lethal weapons as well?

    Do you ban swimming pools so people that can’t swim or are impared when they enter them drown?

    A little more thinking and a little less hypocrisy please!

  • Bmw499

    I may be totally wrong, but I would think no matter if someone was buying 6300 rounds of ammo, whether it be off the internet or in a gun shop, that it would be some sort of red flag. And to have a gun for personal protection is one thing, but buying one or more assult rifles would be somewhat suspicious.

  • http://twitter.com/thebest43386001 the best

    my  prayer  , for  the  victims

  • Geoff

    Please accept my condolences to those who have lost loved ones and my best wishes for all of the injured in this senseless act – I am sorry I do not have better words to express my sadness and disbelief at this awful event.   I imagine I echo the thoughts of all of us in the United Kingdom

  • Colbro888888

    I wish to extend my heartfelt sympathies to the people of Aurora.

    Colleen Brown
    Sydney, Australia

  • Chatham_laurie

    Our thoughts and prayers are with your community during this tragic time
    Laurie Ottawa, Canada

  • Terrsalc

    We are praying for you and your familes Ga is ny your side God bless yall. TERESA C. GA RESIDENT

    • Teresalc

      we are by your side praying

  • Sam

    Stop bringing up gun laws every time tragedies happen from nut cases. You have a right to defend yourselves with your own. Over 100 people die from traffic accidents every day, sometimes whole families being wiped out. I don’t see anyone banning cars. Airplanes wiping out 150 people at one time… hundreds of stabbing deaths with knives. I don’t see anyone wanting to ban them. Bad apples are bad apples, you do your best to fight against them everyday but you don’t mess with others rights to defend their self because you choose not too… We would like to think we live in a powder cake world but we don’t. Tragedies happen from nut cases all the time so think ahead and out of the box your mind stays in and defend yourself.

  • Al Carlton, Weston, FL

    To the families and friends of the innocent victims and those close to the tragedy in Colorado and around the world:

    Listen to the last recorded words of Alex Sullivan on that fateful night. “Oh man one hour till the movie and its going to be the best BIRTHDAY ever,” (he tweeted).
    I believe therein lies the answer to all of our grief, our anger and our despair over this newest of senseless and coldhearted massacre.

    Close your eyes and picture Alex  in his seat, tweeteing to the world his joy in anticipation of  what he KNEW was going to be an AWESOME experience that he’d never forget. I’m sure we all know that feelng. Just days away from getting your first car. A young bride as her big day approaches. Waiting for that one acceptance letter from the college you have your heart set on. Even if the actual movie, car, celebration or letter doesn’t end up turning out how you wanted, that nervous excitement is real. And its beautiful. And it is a GIFT from God. This is how he wants us to feel about HIM!

    Because that’s the way he feels about US. That’s the way he feels about Alex. That’s the way he feels about everyone in that movie theatre. (Even the killer, for God never gives up on us. He is always waiting for us to come back to Him. But that message is for another time.)

    I pray that the families can and will find comfort in BELIEVING that this WAS the best BIRTHDAY ever for Alex and the other innocent lives lost to this earth, for they are now with God in absolute joy for all eternity. (Please don’t dismiss this statement lightly. We are all called to be with God in heaven. That is the ONLY thing that matters in life. NOTHING else!) Why HE called them away from us now is not for us to know. It shall remain a mystery, for now.

    I believe that Alex and the others are in heaven right now, praying for us to turn our hearts away from anger and vengeance against the evil and direct them toward our loving and merciful God, who waits for us all (see the Parable of the Pridgal Son and notice how He “runs to his son and embraces him” even after all the terrible things he did against his father).

    May the Lord bless us all and keep us in the palm of his hand until that glorious day when we are all in heaven together!

  • Donna Zoe Misner

    I am a Canadian woman who witnessed a horrific shooting in nearby Toronto Ontario last week- a barbecue, a happy gathering- 2 kids dead, 14 and 23, so I want to express my sorrow at your communities loss. North America MUST do something about access to handguns.
    My thoughts and prayers are with you
    America IS a great nation BUT please, please don’t back guns laws- again I wish to hug my “neighbours” to the south- may you find comfort in whatever spirituality sustains you Peace and may Buddha Bless You
    Zoe Misner

  • Jamesghenderson@yahoo.com

    My heart breaks for the families of the victims of this unimagined horror. 8 years ago I caused my own spree of violence as I ran around Atlanta stealing ATMs in a drug induced haze. I was caught and  sent through 15 facilities in 4 states over the next 4 years. Prison saved my life and sobered me up. Upon my release I wrote a FREE 65 page manual on “The mind of a Predator” it teaches people from REAL experience about how to set true lines of defense against people like me. I never hurt anyone except those I stole from and my family. Not all crime is preventable, as we see here in Colorado. Most ‘intended crimes’ can be prevented with some information. I provided this info in great detail. Here is the kick in the groin, I’ve been out 4 years and have contacted 500+ editors and reporters to offer this life saving free info to their readers and viewers,500+, and I have received only 3 responses. Truth is bad news is still good news.
       This is not the place to argue ignorant opinions. The reality is that if no one sounds the alarm and steps are taken to prevent this from happening again, then we are just reloading the trap. There are no words to say to comfort those that mourn. I am so deeply sorry for your losses. God is complete and His mercy is free.
    The site is http://www.scribd.com/doc/15875211/are you protected its been out for 3 1/2 years its free. Read it please and be prepared for the next act of violence because it is surely being planned as we speak. Peace James Henderson
      

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2V6RMRNXYHJC2QIFDUF763DZRU linda

    Thought:  A ‘central database’ for ANY AND ALL gun purchases, gun equipment purchases (i.e. bullets, etc.).  A control system.  Yet how many that are already out there that people won’t tell you about.  Too bad someone wasn’t there to take this kid out.  Little bastard!

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  • Marcus Wohl

    I could just imagine being able to witness that kind of violence. It’s very scary and traumatizing. I got to witness an accident once, I felt so terrible that I had to undergo therapy in Cambridge. I wouldn’t want to wish that on anyone.

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  • cliffordanthonypaiva

    …very moving…very very emotional…like…say…Sandy Hook or Boston..or Navy Yard…and like all of those US “government” terrorist operations…NO BODIES PHOTOGRAPHED…and who then comprise the REAL TERRORISTS AND GUN HANDLERS (and MURDERERS)?…Barry Soetoro-Obama and Eric-the-Gun Holder…of course…as they attempt to dismantle the US Constitution…with the aid of their media…and the pure gullibility of the American public.