Carroll, Coffman show divide on U.S. taking in Syrian refugees

The divide between Rep. Mike Coffman and state Sen. Morgan Carroll is a parallel for the overall national debate on the issue, in which numerous Republican presidential hopefuls have pledged to take various measures, in Congress and their home states, to stymie the Obama administration's efforts to aid in helping the Syrian refugee population.

AURORA | The race for Colorado Congressional District 6 entered into the hotly debated discussion over whether to take in Syrian refugees fleeing Islamic State forces this week.

Both U.S. Rep. Mike Coffman, R-Aurora, and Democratic candidate state Sen. Morgan Carroll, D-Aurora, spoke out on plans for the United States to take some of the thousands upon thousands of refugees that have streamed out of Syria and into the greater Middle East, Africa and Europe.

Shortly after multiple Republican governors across the country announced they would be doing what they could to prevent Syrian refugees from being resettled in their states, Rep. Coffman joined them in announcing that he opposed resettling Syrian refugees in Colorado.

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State Sen. Morgan Carroll, left and Congressman Mike Coffman, right, battling in 2016 for the 6th Congressional District seat

“I’m opposed because we simply have no way of conducting background checks for screening Syrian refugees,” he told the Denver Post earlier this week.

Coffman previously participated in a Fox News broadcast in the wake of the Paris attacks, claiming that the situation “is what the world looks like without American leadership.”

Carroll, his likely challenger in the 2016 general election, put out a statement Wednesday afternoon in support of efforts by President Barack Obama and Gov. John Hickenlooper to take part in joining European allies and other nations in finding shelter for refugees within our borders.

“ISIS is inflicting terror on innocent people from Syria to Paris and now they have their targets set on the U.S,” Carroll said in the statement. “We must take down these terrorists and protect innocent people who desperately want freedom, whether they are refugees or good people still living in Syria.”

Carroll went on to add that the United States “has the most rigorous screening of refugees in the world, far more stringent than Europe. We need to join our allies in the world and do our part to stand with those who have been ravaged by ISIS terrorists. As such, I support the Commander in Chief and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security in rigorously screening refugees and helping those who pass the screening to find a better life, rooted in freedom and democracy, in America.”

The divide between Rep. Mike Coffman and state Sen. Morgan Carroll is a parallel for the overall national debate on the issue, in which numerous Republican presidential hopefuls have pledged to take various measures, in Congress and their home states, to stymie the Obama administration’s efforts to aid in helping the Syrian refugee population.

  • Mcs Vette

    It’s the liberals that like to say… “if it can save one life”. Why not here? What is the hidden motive Carroll? Why would you not support pausing the refugee program from ISIS prone regions of the world until the citizens of THIS COUNTRY feels its safe to once again go back to normal? What is the harm in this for THIS COUNTRY? Why has this reasonable request to President become political?

    • ryecatcher

      “It’s what liberals like to say”. Right! What do conservatives like to say? Listen to a quack like trump and be reasonable.

      The GOP is a study in unreasonable irrationality.

      • DarkGoldMan

        Can you explain why it’s so vitally important to America that the refugees be brought in as quickly as possible?

        • ryecatcher

          Can you explain why it is not important?

          • DarkGoldMan

            Sure. More people means a bigger carbon footprint.

          • ryecatcher

            Bigger carbon foot print? Is that all you’re worried about? For a moment I thought you were merely an Islamophobe. You are aren’t you!

          • DarkGoldMan

            That’s a cute word. Is it supposed to hurt my feelings?

          • ryecatcher

            Indeed, yes! You are aren’t you?

          • DarkGoldMan

            Islam is a political system, NOT a religion, and unless and until humanity wakes the heII up and STOPS referring to it as a religion, there is no hope. Islam is a hyper-aggressive, militaristic, expansionist, totalitarian political system designed to create a super-rich micro-oligarchical ruling class with a massive, destitute, genetically handicapped underclass below. The paper-thin faux-religious facade was a conscious, specific con from the very beginning – much like Mormonism and Scientology – a pure racket using borrowed and piggy-backed religious motifs to lend credibility to a massive, loosely-knit network of crime syndicate cells.

            Here is a quote from Osama bin Laden that sums it all up:

            “Our talks with the infidel West and our conflict with them ultimately revolve around one issue; one that demands our total support, with power and determination, with one voice, and it is: Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually? Yes. There are only three choices in Islam: [1] either willing submission [conversion]; or [2] payment of the jizya, through physical, though not spiritual, submission to the authority of Islam; or [3] the sword, for it is not right to let him [an infidel] live. The matter is summed up for every person alive: Either submit, or live under the suzerainty of Islam, or die.”
            –Osama Bin Laden
            (The Al Qaeda Reader, p. 42)

            That’s how I feel about islam, which is not to say that’s how I feel about
            every muslim. Muslims are people, their cult is flawed and incompatible
            with modern western freedoms.

          • ryecatcher

            I would venture to say people who are Muslims would say the same of our culture which you characterize as a “cult” in the Muslim world. That characterization on your part speaks for itself.

            Beyond the comments of Mr. Bin Laden, who is dead incidentally, I simply disagree with you. Have a nice day.

          • DarkGoldMan
          • ryecatcher

            Colorful graphic! I can’t recall seeing it in my travels. Then again I don’t read anything by glen beck.

          • DarkGoldMan

            Neither do I.

          • ryecatcher

            I kind of figured that. We’re in agreement. Have a good one.

          • Frank2525

            That explains your ignorance. And Bias. Also why you tweet. Tweety bird.

          • ryecatcher

            “Tweety bird”. Has a tweety provincialism about it.

            fanrk’s not biased but cannot explain his ignorance.

          • Frank2525

            No. They know we are infidels, aren’t you also? In their eyes you are. And they would love to shut you up, even when you do their work for them.

          • ryecatcher

            If you say so!

          • Frank2525

            And you know what you are too, don’t you?

          • ryecatcher

            I do!

          • Frank2525

            YEP. Sure can.

          • ryecatcher

            No doubt!

  • Old Auroran

    “Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

    The promise of America does not have an asterisk at the end — it has no expiration date. There is no ethnic, religious, or age test applied to this promise, only the idea that with hard work and attention to educational opportunities, you, or your child could be the next Steve Jobs. This promise cuts two ways — immigrants can reap the benefits of American culture, and America can benefit from the work and determination of new residents.
    Everyone in this nation came from somewhere else, the only question is how many generations, how many hundreds of years since our first ancestors arrived. The current vetting process for Iraq and Syrian refugees is the most rigorous in the world. No refugee from this area as committed an act or terrorism on American soil. I wish that I could say the same of native born people of European descent — alas, I cannot.

    • DarkGoldMan

      That poem on the base of a statue is nice and all, but it’s not binding immigration policy.
      Even when Ellis Island was in full swing, many White Europeans were deemed undesirable
      and denied entry. They were placed on the next ship heading back across the Atlantic.

    • DarkGoldMan

      Also:

      * An immigrant from Muslim-dominated Bangladesh, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship,‎ tried to incite people to travel to Somalia and conduct violent jihad against the United States. He was arrested in Texas in 2014.
      * An immigrant from Ghana, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, pledged allegiance to ISIS and plotted a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. He attacked an FBI agent with a large kitchen knife when the agent was searching his home in June in Staten Island, New York. The search was connected to an investigation stemming from the weekend arrest of Munther Omar Saleh, a 20-year-old U.S. citizen charged with conspiring to provide material support to ISIS, CNN reported.
      * An immigrant from Sudan living in northern Virginia, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, tried to join ISIS and wage jihad on its behalf after having been recruited online. He pleaded guilty in federal court in June 2015 to providing material support to ISIS and his friend, according to court records, is now a member of the Islamic State fighting force in Syria.
      * A Muslim refugee couple from Bosnia, along with their five relatives living in Missouri, Illinois and New York, were charged in February 2015 with sending money, supplies and smuggled arms to ISIS and other terrorist organizations in Syria and Iraq.
      * A Muslim immigrant from Yemen, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, along with six other men living in Minnesota as members of refugee families, were charged in April 2015 with conspiracy to travel to Syria and to provide material support to ISIS.
      * A Somali refugee with lawful permanent resident status, along with four other Somali nationals, were charged July 23, 2014, with leading an al-Shabaab terrorist fundraising conspiracy in the United States, with monthly payments directed to the Somali terrorist organization.
      * A Kazakhstani immigrant with lawful permanent resident status conspired to purchase a machine gun to shoot FBI and other law enforcement agents if they prevented him from traveling to Syria to join ISIS. He and two others from Uzbekistan, both living in Brooklyn, were charged in February 2015 with providing material support a foreign terrorist organization.
      * Two female immigrants, one from Saudi Arabia and one from Yemen, one of whom applied for and received U.S. citizenship, allegedly swore allegiance to ISIS and pledged to explode a propane tank bomb on U.S. soil. They were arrested in April 2015 during an FBI undercover raid on their house in Queens, New York.
      * A Uzbek man in Brooklyn allegedly encouraged other Uzbek nationals to wage jihad on behalf of ISIS, and raised $1,600 for the terror organization. The arrests were announced in February and April 2015.
      * The Boston Bombers were invited in as asylum seekers. The younger brother applied for citizenship and was naturalized on Sept. 11, 2012. The older brother had a pending application for citizenship.
      * A Moroccan Muslim who came to the U.S. on a student visa was arrested and charged in April 2014 with plotting to blow up a university and a federal courthouse.
      * Six members of Minnesota’s Somali-American refugee community have recently been charged with trying to join ISIS. The Washington Times reported that “the effort [to resettle large groups of Somali refugees in Minnesota] is having the unintended consequence of creating an enclave of immigrants with high unemployment that is both stressing the state’s safety net and creating a rich pool of potential recruiting targets for Islamist terror groups.”
      * An Uzbek refugee living in Boise, Idaho, was arrested in 2013 and charged with providing support to a terrorist organization, in the form of teaching terror recruits how to build bombs to blow up U.S. military installations. He was convicted in August 2015.
      * A teenage American citizen living in York, South Carolina, whose family emigrated from Syria, was sentenced in April 2015 for plotting to support ISIS and rob a gun store to kill members of the American military.
      * A Muslim immigrant from Syria living in Ohio, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, was accused by federal prosecutors of planning to “go to a military base in Texas and kill three or four American soldiers execution style.”
      * A college student, who came to America as a refugee from Somalia and later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, attempted to blow up a Christmas tree lighting ceremony in Oregon. He was sentenced in October 2014 to 30 years in prison.
      * An immigrant from Afghanistan, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, and a legal permanent resident from the Philippines, were convicted Sept. 25, 2014, for trying to “join Al Qaeda and the Taliban in order to kill Americans.”
      * An Iraqi immigrant, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, was arrested in May 2015 for lying to federal agents about pledging allegiance to ISIS and his travels to Syria.
      * Two Pakistani-American brothers living in New York, who later applied for and received U.S citizenship, were sentenced in June 2015 to decades-long prison sentences for plotting to detonate a bomb in New York City.
      * An immigrant from Muslim-dominated Yemen, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, was arrested in September 2014 in Rochester, New York, for allegedly trying to join ISIS. He was also charged with attempting to illegally buy firearms to try to shoot American military personnel.
      * An immigrant brought here by his family from Kuwait at age 6, and who was later approved for U.S. citizenship, carried out the jihadist attack that recently killed four U.S. Marines and a sailor in Chattanooga on July 16, 2015, using an AK-47 semi-automatic weapon against unarmed military men.

      And this is just some on the recent cases.

      • ryecatcher

        There’s more? Dear me! Enlighten us further with your dazzling information. You appear to know it all!

        • DarkGoldMan

          Bradley Manning
          Nidal Hasan
          the Navy Yard shooter

          They were all “vetted” by the federal government too.

          • ryecatcher

            More fodder for your “rap sheet”! Most of the 22 or so individuals you site in your lengthy comment were arrested, convicted or imprisoned before they could carry out their plans. It appears the feds are doing their jobs according to your information.

            Manning and Hasan were both members of the US military. The Navy shooter was a federal employee. How do you propose the military officials handle situations like this to prevent it from happening again. I’m sure they’re working on it.

          • DarkGoldMan

            My point is; the “vetting” that liberals are holding up as spectacular
            is not the miracle they believe it is.

          • ryecatcher

            Prove it! You’re simply coughing up conservative conjecture which is certainly not the “miracle” you think it is.

            I repeat. Your “rap sheet” is nit picky hogwash in my opinion. Again, what do propose the military and police officials do to prevent terrorist activities within our homeland?

            I’ll consider it a “miracle” should you manage to come up with proposals the FBI or Homeland Security officials would remotely consider using.

          • DarkGoldMan
          • ryecatcher

            Fair enough. Where there is a will there is a way and the bad guys have the advantage.

            I’m personally not that concerned and think our government security apparatus does a decent job of protecting the US refugees or no refugees.

            I haven’t a problem with allowing these Syrian refugees into our country.

            Stuff happens and there’s nothing you or I can do to stop it. A free and open society such as ours cannot completely throw a protective blanket over the country without rescinding many of the rights and freedoms we enjoy as American citizens.

            Have a nice day.

          • DarkGoldMan
          • ryecatcher

            Looks more like a travel alert to me. (Translation. Travel freely but be careful where you go)

            Not a bad idea considering, wouldn’t you agree?

  • Frank2525

    This is not a matter of being (or not being) a Islamicphobic. This is a matter of USA and individual security. No matter how much Carroll claims USA has a vetting service superior to Europe, that is not true. We had at end of WWII, with those who joined our services in Europe, Italy, Japan, and other countries, and became American Citizens. I worked with them in 1950-54 in Nevada and 1955-1959 in Ohio Intelligence Unit. We had people who came from those areas, and knew families, church, and other connections. Separate out the penetrators, versus honest emigrants. 55-59, I did paperwork and support to send intelligence persons to Berlin Wall, and to other assignments all over USA and other countries. Many wore civilian clothes, and worked within civilian communities. Even though agents had families with them in Berlin and other countries, the family did not know their father or husband was still military.
    So Carroll does not know what she does not know, and spouts the company line. Mike knows the difference as military officer, and life work. Why I told her years ago in person (Garcia, Carroll, and one other) at municipal building I would never vote for them or support them, due to opposition then for Colorado projects.
    And for those who think this is Islam phobia, keep on thinking that until you lose a relative in like situation to what happened at WTC, Benghazi, Tripoli, Pentagon, Pa. plane that crashed without reaching its Washington target. My service and experience tells me, DO NOT TRUST ANYONE WHO HIDES THEIR FACE, UNDER BEARDS OR CLOTHING, AND CARRIES A KORAN AS THEIR HOLY BOOK. They are peaceable, until they decide not to be peaceable. And until the 90% so-called peaceable ones, start outing the 10% who still believe 6th century, and all who believe in Sharia Law, I will continue to mistrust them.
    —-For the progressives, liberals, democrats who love to spout names, and label others, don’t bother to flame me. You don’t have the life experience, or enough education – regardless of level, or attitude to change my mind. And I will keep on with what I do, just as my 2 health providers told me to do about my health. I have already outlived many who were worried about me, and they were much younger. Perhaps that is reason God chooses to keep me here, to aggravate you. (and you know who you are, or should).

  • Frank2525

    See my prior comment few moments ago. I lost two very good friends when plane went through wall in Pentagon. (Lt. Col. Smith, and MSgt Max Belkie, both army, retired0. My youngest son worked on 40th (?) floor, of WTC in 2000, year before destruction. So don’t jump my case if I am really disgusted with our politicians and leaders, (?????) for not expressing anger and some kind of plan to protect USA. I don’t care about those other countries and their citizens, before my own country, our citizens, and my family. Get wise to yourself. Anyone who is bleeding heart, go over there and help those people. But use your own money, time, and effort. Don’t dump it on our tax-payers, or citizens, without our voting for it. You want to be global, go live with the U.N. in some other country.

  • richard_77777

    You are 5000% more likely to be murdered by a Muslim terrorist than a non-Muslim Terrorist but the Muslims donate billions to the Democrats so a few thousand Americans lying dead in the streets is a small price to pay.